Damn. Here in Vermont, and in PA where I grew up in serious horse
country, everyone I know spends a lot of time trying to get the rocks
OUT of the ring... Sure, there are rocks where we ride out in the real
world, but to put them in an area where you do a lot of your work on
purpose? That seems like asking for it...

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I guess you all forget that I've amended the soil with rocks, that we
have a gravel driveway that is actually loose 3/4 inch pointy rocks
here and there atop packed road base (which is worse than a "real"
gravel driveway with packed gravel), and that we ride in the foothills
where the very experienced trainer Steve Wright of The Wright Ranch
says is about the rockiest ground anywhere. My arena is full of
rocks. That's the way I want it, so the horses' feet are tough enough
to not get stone bruises. ;-)

Damn. Here in Vermont, and in PA where I grew up in serious horse country,
everyone I know spends a lot of time trying to get the rocks OUT of the
ring... Sure, there are rocks where we ride out in the real world, but to
put them in an area where you do a lot of your work on purpose? That seems
like asking for it...

madeline

Cindi has degenerated from a flake to a loon.

Some of us, including Cindi, have owned and sold and worked with more
horses than you have ever seen in your entire life. That counts for
something. Cindis horses feet look great and her horses are sound on
their barefeet. That should count for something.

As a matter of fact, humans also get stone bruises, although
I haven't personally experienced it.

If you are asking if I've seen them or had a horse with one,
the answer is yes. It is very obvious what they are when
you see one on a horse's sole.

Let the seller handle the blood exclusively. The buyer never touches
the vial nor sends it into the lab.

The norm is, draw and store. Run the sample only if problems arise
down the road. Buyer pays.

Why should the buyer pay when the seller drugs a horse for sale?

I think that's why our ancestors invented shoes.  

It doesn't take a stone to bruise a sole.  Three years ago my mare
gave herself the Mother of All Sole Bruises (which quickly became
Mother of All Abscesses) while stomping flies.  She was dead lame on
one foot for a day, lame to two more, then sound once the absess burst
in three places.  The bruise was really dramatic.

Horse traders in any given area develop their own "patois" that they
use on their local victims, er, I mean customers.  Could be a regional
thing.

Ocean of Nuance wrote:
NancyD.... at (no spam) gmail.com wrote:
Ocean of Nuance <lizzardwomanRM... at (no spam) nc.rr.com> wrote:

You can have an agreement that you pull blood, have it tested, and if
there are substances then the seller pays the bill. �NO substances, teh
buyer pays.

You can have any agreement you want (an honest seller would be at risk
agreeing to the above, since you can drug the horse yourself if you
really want to return it).

Let the seller handle the blood exclusively. �The buyer never touches
the vial nor sends it into the lab.

Ruth Baltopoulos wrote:
Stone bruise may be a code word for horse traders, but that doesn't make
it any less viable as a legitimate term for the rest of the world.

Anthropomorphic twaddle.  

We in Vermont laugh at your idea of rocks... Those are hardly even pebbles.

madeline

Madeline Rockwell <madel... at (no spam) vermontel.net> wrote:
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On Jul 7, 3:59 pm, "Madeline Rockwell" <madel... at (no spam) vermontel.net> wrote:

Damn. Here in Vermont, and in PA where I grew up in serious horse country,
everyone I know spends a lot of time trying to get the rocks OUT of the
ring... Sure, there are rocks where we ride out in the real world, but to
put them in an area where you do a lot of your work on purpose? That seems
like asking for it...

It is extremely rocky where we go ride. Horses will never be sound on
rocks if they are not conditioned to that footing, preferably with
exposure every day. Here's a pic of where often ride fall and winter;
this just happens to be in the least rocky area there, but you can
sort of get the idea:
http://allisonacres.org/rainfeetgymkhana.jpg

We in Vermont laugh at your idea of rocks... Those are hardly even pebbles.

madeline

The hike from Outer Mongolia, err Frost Farm to the rings at the
Vermont Summer Festival puts cindi's rock rings to shame. Vermont,
she has ROCKS.

The really, really funny thing is, we idiots all fuss about the footing,
the footing, the footing (and Vermont does have very nice footing
btw) meanwhile for the most part we gotta get from the tents to
the ring over terrain that varies from four lane highway to lunar.

Horse people are crazy. :-)

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On Jul 7, 3:59 pm, "Madeline Rockwell" <madel... at (no spam) vermontel.net> wrote:

Damn. Here in Vermont, and in PA where I grew up in serious horse country,
everyone I know spends a lot of time trying to get the rocks OUT of the
ring... Sure, there are rocks where we ride out in the real world, but to
put them in an area where you do a lot of your work on purpose? That seems
like asking for it...

It is extremely rocky where we go ride. Horses will never be sound on
rocks if they are not conditioned to that footing, preferably with
exposure every day. Here's a pic of where often ride fall and winter;
this just happens to be in the least rocky area there, but you can
sort of get the idea:
http://allisonacres.org/rainfeetgymkhana.jpg

We in Vermont laugh at your idea of rocks... Those are hardly even pebbles.

madeline

I think Cindi should be arriving in town in about a week. <snip
I hope to convince her to let me take them over on the ferry to
Vancouver Island to have high tea and visit Butchart Gardens.

But I am dreading spiffing up the spare bedrooms as I am
not a fan of house
keeping (she hopes to stay a night or so here with us).