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| Ocean of Nuance... |
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:59 pm |
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John Hasler wrote:
Quote: But it isn't just a cracker, you see. It is a piece of human flesh. The
Pope says so.
I actually disagree with what PZ Myers wrote. There is showing people
how to start making sense and there is over-the-top ridicule for its own
sake. I think his piece was in the latter category. It wasn't trying to
help religious folks start to make sense.
Still, it doesn't excuse the death threats.
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| law... |
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:30 am |
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John Hasler wrote:
Quote: Ocean of Nuance writes:
Almost half of the US populace who are YECs.
law writes:
Source of statistic?
According to <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Christianity> her claim is
only true for unusual values of "almost".
And we all know just how accurate Wikipedia always is. Such a good
scientifice source.
Do you know, 98.2% of all statistics quoted in Newsgroups are made up?
LisaW
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phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if
it stops moving, subsidize it." ……….. Ronald Reagan
"Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed there are many
rewards, if you disgrace yourself you can always write a book." ……….
Ronald Reagan
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But I repeat myself” ............Mark Twain
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| law... |
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:35 am |
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deirdrethecat at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
Quote: On Jul 10, 6:13 pm, John Hasler <j... at (no spam) dhh.gt.org> wrote:
Ocean of Nuance writes:
Almost half of the US populace who are YECs.
law writes:
Source of statistic?
According to <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Christianity> her claim is
only true for unusual values of "almost".
The following site offers relevant poll data from a number of
pollsters (Gallup, Pew Research, Harris, et al.) from ca. 1982 through
2008. At least some of these conclude that the percentage of folks
believing that "God created human beings pretty much in their present
form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so" (Gallup's
phrasing of the question) is pretty consistently in the the 40%-48%
range.
(They don't offer any stats at all about barefoot equines ...  )
Odd -- Sharon's on her usual "young earther" (seems to be her particular
boogeyman) and yet all those "polls" seem to quote A) small numbers and
B) something of the ilk "N=1,017 adults nationwide" -- "Almost Half the
US populace who are YECs" -- Shouldn't she have written "Almost half the
US populace ARE YECs"? Of course that's taking 1000+ or so of. Wow,
these scientific studies are really depth ...
LisaW
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"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short
phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if
it stops moving, subsidize it." ……….. Ronald Reagan
"Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed there are many
rewards, if you disgrace yourself you can always write a book." ……….
Ronald Reagan
“Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.
But I repeat myself” ............Mark Twain
“A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the
support of Paul” ........ George Bernard Shaw |
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| Joyce Reynolds-Ward... |
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:37 pm |
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On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 10:08:52 -0700 (PDT), cindi
<allisonacres at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
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A boarder uses a lip cord, and I used one once on a very bad yearling
upon my farrier's decision to give it a try, and it works, but any
sort of twitch has to take into consideration that it will begin to
work after a few minutes and will cease to work after some additional
minutes, 15 or so I think is the max. The horse's body will release
endorphins for only so long and then it quits and needs a refractory
period. But any sort of twitching also works on restraint and on
moving causing pain and standing still causing less pain, and that
works as long as it's applied and used properly, regardless of whether
or not endorphins have ran out. The one we do that with every time
now just "goes to sleep" when she sees the cord being held near her
face; I don't even need to apply it now. It's really a very
interesting example of classical conditioning.
My first mare had issues with her forefeet after she grass foundered,
and a couple of sessions with a hamfisted farrier didn't help. She
didn't really steady down until we got an excellent young farrier who
not only had a deft and light touch, but he put a lip cord on her.
After the first session, all we had to do was put it on her and she
relaxed.
One of those tough old QH biddies with a healthy chunk of
self-preservation/fighting blood in her...
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| Joyce Reynolds-Ward... |
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:40 pm |
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On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:30:07 -0400, Ocean of Nuance
<lizzardwomanRMOVE at (no spam) nc.rr.com> wrote:
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Quote: Had I not been training in dressage and attuned to how he felt in my
hand and whether or not he was straight or progressively harder to
straighten over time, he might not be diagnosed to this day.
Disciplines that don't prize feel in the had or straightness would have
done him in. He'd be toast on the RH by now.
Don't think it's necessarily the discipline, but is highly dependent
upon the skill and feel of the rider.
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| Joyce Reynolds-Ward... |
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:42 pm |
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:46:45 -0400, Ocean of Nuance
<lizzardwomanRMOVE at (no spam) nc.rr.com> wrote:
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Quote: A rider who:
1. does not ride on contact so wouldn't note a change in feel in teh
hand, and
Umm, not necessarily. I'd put seat over hand for feeling out
lameness. I can feel short-stridedness and favoring stuff through my
seat before I'd even feel it in the hand. Sometimes it's stuff that
isn't visible even to a pro--you have to feel it through the behind.
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| Joyce Reynolds-Ward... |
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:48 pm |
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:29:07 -0700 (PDT), cindi
<allisonacres at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
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Quote: What is plausible is that people don't know what they are doing,
including trainers, and that trainers, riders and horses are not
talented enough, due to lack of understanding, lack of proper
training, and physical issues. The upper levels of ANY sport is not
as populated as the lower levels. Not every golfer is Tiger Woods. I
think a lot of horses could go farther if they were not being jammed
on in an effort to get them to "master collection", but not all horses
will have the skills to be upper level dressage horses - and those
skills include not only great movement, great gaits, great
trainability, but ability to deal with stress and management practices
of upper level show horses.
Agreed on this one, especially with regard to pushing horses too fast.
It took me two years to get a decent canter from Mocha--and now G.
praises it regularly, almost three years after I bought her.
And the very last phrase is also important--you can have a very
talented horse (see Choccie) who doesn't handle the stress of what
appears to be the competition they're most talented in as well as
trainers might like--but does very well in a different but related
discipline with less of the type of pressure that bothers the horse.
I don't think we always think about the temperament factor as much as
we should.
jrw |
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