On Jul 2, 10:56 pm, abe slaney <abesla... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Jul 2, 11:45 pm, fattuc... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:

However, if Israel or some outside force were to hit the Palestinians with horrific, overpowering force, the fight between Israel and the Palestinians would end.

Very insightful. Along those same lines, if I brutally beat my
neighbors and tie them up in their basement, we won't be arguing any
more about the fence. And I get two yards to play in!

It involves a lot more than that.  You might think differently if your
neighbor killed your wife or planted a bomb in your child's school
killing 20 kids even if your own kids weren't hurt.

You might think differently if your neighbors repeatedly urged people
to kill you and drive you out of your home, vowing that your blood and
your families blood would flow like a river.

And, BTW, the Palestinians right now have 3 yards to play in:  Jordan,
Gaza and the "West Bank."  These three yards put together are several
times the size of Israel.  I don't know much about Gaza or Jordan, but
the Jewish historical presence in the West Bank is incredible and is
much older than any Arab presence.

On Jul 3, 12:18 am, fattuc... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:





On Jul 2, 10:56 pm, abe slaney <abesla... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Jul 2, 11:45 pm, fattuc... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:

However, if Israel or some outside force were to hit the Palestinians with horrific, overpowering force, the fight between Israel and the Palestinians would end.

Very insightful. Along those same lines, if I brutally beat my
neighbors and tie them up in their basement, we won't be arguing any
more about the fence. And I get two yards to play in!

It involves a lot more than that.  You might think differently if your
neighbor killed your wife or planted a bomb in your child's school
killing 20 kids even if your own kids weren't hurt.

You might think differently if your neighbors repeatedly urged people
to kill you and drive you out of your home, vowing that your blood and
your families blood would flow like a river.

And, BTW, the Palestinians right now have 3 yards to play in:  Jordan,
Gaza and the "West Bank."  These three yards put together are several
times the size of Israel.  I don't know much about Gaza or Jordan, but
the Jewish historical presence in the West Bank is incredible and is
much older than any Arab presence.

Fuck Israel. I hope Iran blows the hypocritical fuckers off the map.
Middle East problem solved permanently.-

On Jul 2, 11:22 pm, God <jimmycarlwh... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:



On Jul 3, 12:18 am, fattuc... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:

On Jul 2, 10:56 pm, abe slaney <abesla... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Jul 2, 11:45 pm, fattuc... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:

However, if Israel or some outside force were to hit the Palestinians with horrific, overpowering force, the fight between Israel and the Palestinians would end.

Very insightful. Along those same lines, if I brutally beat my
neighbors and tie them up in their basement, we won't be arguing any
more about the fence. And I get two yards to play in!

It involves a lot more than that.  You might think differently if your
neighbor killed your wife or planted a bomb in your child's school
killing 20 kids even if your own kids weren't hurt.

You might think differently if your neighbors repeatedly urged people
to kill you and drive you out of your home, vowing that your blood and
your families blood would flow like a river.

And, BTW, the Palestinians right now have 3 yards to play in:  Jordan,
Gaza and the "West Bank."  These three yards put together are several
times the size of Israel.  I don't know much about Gaza or Jordan, but
the Jewish historical presence in the West Bank is incredible and is
much older than any Arab presence.

Fuck Israel. I hope Iran blows the hypocritical fuckers off the map.
Middle East problem solved permanently.-

I'm not surprised that the Nazi Pet would say that.

On Jul 3, 12:29 am, fattuc... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:





On Jul 2, 11:22 pm, God <jimmycarlwh... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

On Jul 3, 12:18 am, fattuc... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:

On Jul 2, 10:56 pm, abe slaney <abesla... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Jul 2, 11:45 pm, fattuc... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:

However, if Israel or some outside force were to hit the Palestinians with horrific, overpowering force, the fight between Israel and the Palestinians would end.

Very insightful. Along those same lines, if I brutally beat my
neighbors and tie them up in their basement, we won't be arguing any
more about the fence. And I get two yards to play in!

It involves a lot more than that.  You might think differently if your
neighbor killed your wife or planted a bomb in your child's school
killing 20 kids even if your own kids weren't hurt.

You might think differently if your neighbors repeatedly urged people
to kill you and drive you out of your home, vowing that your blood and
your families blood would flow like a river.

And, BTW, the Palestinians right now have 3 yards to play in:  Jordan,
Gaza and the "West Bank."  These three yards put together are several
times the size of Israel.  I don't know much about Gaza or Jordan, but
the Jewish historical presence in the West Bank is incredible and is
much older than any Arab presence.

Fuck Israel. I hope Iran blows the hypocritical fuckers off the map.
Middle East problem solved permanently.-

I'm not surprised that the Nazi Pet would say that.

Fuck Hitler and the Nazis.... and fuck you too while we're at it,
Gay.
Go have another knish or five, you disingenuous fat cunt.- Hide quoted text -

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Hey, you are the one who said "f*ck Israel,"  right?

Wait, wait, I get it.. . . . you love Jews but you hate Israel.
Right?

You love Jewish people. . . . you just hope Iran kills the 4 or 5
million in Israel.  The remaining 15 million in the world are OK.

You like Jewish people.  You really really do.

Dingbat wrote:
Hey, you are the one who said "f*ck Israel,"  right?

Wait, wait, I get it.. . . . you love Jews but you hate Israel.
Right?

You love Jewish people. . . . you just hope Iran kills the 4 or 5
million in Israel.  The remaining 15 million in the world are OK.

You like Jewish people.  You really really do.

And you're hoping that a horrific, overpowering force permanently
decimates the Palestinians.

I guess this makes you a good person. Yay, mass graves!

Dingbat wrote:
Hey, you are the one who said "f*ck Israel,"  right?

Wait, wait, I get it.. . . . you love Jews but you hate Israel.
Right?

You love Jewish people. . . . you just hope Iran kills the 4 or 5
million in Israel.  The remaining 15 million in the world are OK.

You like Jewish people.  You really really do.

And you're hoping that a horrific, overpowering force permanently
decimates the Palestinians.

I guess this makes you a good person. Yay, mass graves!

fattuc... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
And you're hoping that a horrific, overpowering force permanently
decimates the Palestinians.

I guess this makes you a good person. Yay, mass graves!

And by the way, yes, my preference is to save as many Israeli and/or
Jewish lives as possible just like I favor American lives during a war.

What a wonderful humanitarian you are.

Hey, you are the one who said "f*ck Israel," right?

Wait, wait, I get it.. . . . you love Jews but you hate Israel.
Right?

You love Jewish people. . . . you just hope Iran kills the 4 or 5
million in Israel. The remaining 15 million in the world are OK.

You like Jewish people. You really really do.

And you're hoping that a horrific, overpowering force permanently
decimates the Palestinians.

I guess this makes you a good person. Yay, mass graves!

And by the way, yes, my preference is to save as many Israeli and/or
Jewish lives as possible just like I favor American lives during a war.

On Jul 2, 11:45 pm, fattuc... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:

However, if Israel or some outside force were to hit the
Palestinians with horrific, overpowering force, the fight between
Israel and the Palestinians would end.

Very insightful. Along those same lines, if I brutally beat my
neighbors and tie them up in their basement, we won't be arguing any
more about the fence. And I get two yards to play in!

I never claimed to be a pacifist. I'm not. If another country
attacks the US or Israel, then I want that other country vanquished.

fattuc... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:

I agree that Western nations must take an aggressive stance against
terrorists.

However, if an enemy combatant is captured and suspected of being a
terrorist, I believe it is essential that they get a trial before they
are jailed or executed.  It does not help the US cause to jail/kill an
innocent person.  Further more, it would be embarrassing to the US if
there was an international war crimes tribunal set up against
Americans.  It would tarnish the American reputation.

It's pretty difficult to tarnish the American reputation at the moment.
It's been very well trashed for over five years now.

-Ehtue-

Force-fed a baseball. Imagine the impossibility of that.
Imagine
how
impossibly painful that action would be, the destruction of
some facial
muscles. This is only one one-hundredth of the nightmare
American
s
are
forcing on men, women and children who live at our secret
jails scattered
over the world and on ships at sea. It's also a small part of
the horrific
realities for men, women and children at Guantanamo Bay, Abu
Ghra
ib
and
other known holding sites for "enemy combatants."
My claims sound outrageous buy they are supported by the
International
Committee of the Red Cross, which to many won't be proof of
anything.
But
recently a major report on medical evidence of our torture
polici
es
against
innocent men, women, and children detainees was issued by the
physicians
for
human rights. It's supported by Major General Anthony Ta-guba
who worked
at
Abu Ghraib.
Before you decide to consider me a traitor to the country,
before you
decide
to call me a terrorist sympa-thizer, before you decide to
laugh a
t
my
statements, think about this: what if your son or daughter or
husband
or
wife were captured by the Taliban and treated in this manner,
wou
ld
it
be so
funny? Would it be so easy to ignore?
The bush Administration is forcing our military to be-have in
manners
contrary to law, both man made law and God's law. Our
military ar
e
being
used by an administra-tion that cares about only one thing:
oil rights
Most recently Mr. Bush himself said in an interview with Skye
New
s
of
Britain that the torture "should not reflect, you know,
America. This
is
the
actions of some soldiers." Yet on June 12 Mr. Bush admitted
to AB
C
News
that
he did indeed give the go ahead for torture.

What an ass!!! The Taliban don't ask if you'd like to eat a
baseball. They just slit your fucking throat. I have no ill
feeling
s
towards Gitmo or Abu Ghraib. In fact I think we should have
tied their balls to electrical leads and fried them. Now our
Supreme Cou
rt
has given these fucks the same rights as US citizens. Tell me
what other country has ever done that? You like to cling to
that word innocent. How the fuck do you know that? But if your
so willing to believe the International Red Cross about how bad
we are, why don't you go give yourself up to the Taliban or the
fuck heads in Iraq an
d
report to us how will you were treated. But I know you don't
have t
he
balls to do something like that. So in the meantime, shut the
fuck up!-
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You're no different from those Taliban people. And your
government doesn't aske the prisoners they're torturing if
they'd like to eat a baseball.

Yes we are. The Taliban kills anyone who they choose not to like.
The Coalition are killing insurgents and Taliban. Simple.- Hide
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No. You don't know if they are insurgents ans Taliban.

Well hell-fuckin-o. Of course I do not know if they are insurgents
or Taliban. I am retired Deeeetroit area police officer who can
tell who i
s a
criminal or not. I fully trust the honorable men and women of our
voluntary military and the other members of the Coalition to find
out a
nd
kill the terrorist insurgents and Taliban members. Shoot em so many
tim
es
that they will stay dead for a long time.- Hide quoted text -

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You cannot just trust them.  That's what the justice system exists
for, not governments.  Hundreds of years ago people notice that it
was not safe nor fair to let kings decide who was guilty and who
wasn't and what penalties should be applied.
Are you saying we should just throw all that to the garbage and let
governments have the duty and power of imparting justice?.  Because,
you know, if they're that good at it, they should always do it.
 What do we need a justice system for?.

We need to rely on the justice system to decide how the use of force
was used after the fact that prompted our defense forces.  War crime
tribun
als
were in place after WWII to decide he actions of the Germans and
Japanese that prompted WWII.  Justice was served with hangings,
firing squads, l
ong
sentences, suicides of those in custody, like Hermann Georing.  The
All
ies
re-built Germany and Japan, removed their Fascist/Imperialist form of
government, and restored peace and a good economy.

The whole point is to restore human rights.  Every insurgent and
Taliba
n
member has a bull's-eye target on their head.  Eventually, they will
ge
t
tired of getting killed by us infidels.  They will be ashamed of
gettin
g
killed, instead of martrying themselves in suicide bombings.- Hide
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I agree that Western nations must take an aggressive stance against
terrorists.

However, if an enemy combatant is captured and suspected of being a
terrorist, I believe it is essential that they get a trial before they
are jailed or executed. It does not help the US cause to jail/kill an
innocent person. Further more, it would be embarrassing to the US if
there was an international war crimes tribunal set up against
Americans. It would tarnish the American reputation.