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| symplastless... |
 Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:35 pm |
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Wound Dressing was studied by mycologist, tree biologist, chemist and so
forth by the US FOREST SERVICE researchers. Here at the bottom of the page
is a publication titled WOUND DRESSINGS: RESULTS OF STUDIES OVER 13 YEARS in
Journal of Arboriculture.
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/W/wound_dressing.html
The majority of bombardment of negative criticism on this newsgroup comes
from folk from Texas. The only place I know of in the world that it is a
law that you must apply wound dressing is Texas. Texas folks gave Dr. Shigo
a hard time about Modern Arboriculture. They are the only group of people
that I know of that fought him tooth and nail. Who is Dr. Shigo? His
profile is here: http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SHIGOPROFILE.html
There are some good folk from Texas that I have personally studied tree
biology with and dissected trees with. My critics do not dissect trees.
His material is here: www.shigoandtrees.com Enjoy
My critics are primarily from Texas. They disagree with most of Modern
Arboriculture treatments based on a thorough understanding of tree biology.
Go figure. Don Staples, from Texas, is a practicing forester with
communication problems with the researchers in tree biology. The story
addressing the communication problem is here:
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/hardtoget/ntb102/index.html
Just a little background on the issue.
There is a time when wound dressing could be helpful. If you make a flush
cut, like many oaks in Texas suffer from, and paint it with wound dressing.
The wound dressing will stimulate the succession of micro organisms and
speed up the rot process. This would give you a cavity. Not good for the
individual but good for small wildlife that use cavities. In wildlife
management I often make flush cuts in the woods for small wildlife. I
rather not use the wound dressing.
If anybody has any data to state that through research, with controls, wound
dressing has been proven to stop microorganisms or the succession of
microorganisms, please email with the data. I would be happy to review it.
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Do to the overwhelming amount a negative criticism by a few individuals on
this list, I am "only" willing to get into debate by way of email. I have a
background in tree biology, my negative critics do not. I am willing to
answer any questions you may have. If I do not have the answer I know where
to get it, based on a thorough understanding of tree biology. Contact me at
treeman at (no spam) treedictionary.com A good foundation for understanding trees,
associates and treatments, can be found here: www.shigoandtrees.com Most
topics, correct planting, mulching, pruning and fertilization can be found
at www.treedictionary.com
Happy gardening!
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding. |
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| Jangchub... |
| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:19 pm |
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Hey braino scrambolo, I'd put you up against Texas A & M any time any
day. Nobody said apply wound dressing to flush cuts. Flush cuts went
out with two decades ago of information. Keep up Scramby. I DO NOT
MAKE FLUSH CUTS. NOBODY WITH HAVE A BRAIN AND ONE TOOTH DOES. Get
over it already.
I'm a New Yorker, by the way. I just live in Texas.
On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 21:35:12 -0400, "symplastless"
<symplastless at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
Quote: Wound Dressing was studied by mycologist, tree biologist, chemist and so
forth by the US FOREST SERVICE researchers. Here at the bottom of the page
is a publication titled WOUND DRESSINGS: RESULTS OF STUDIES OVER 13 YEARS in
Journal of Arboriculture.
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/W/wound_dressing.html
The majority of bombardment of negative criticism on this newsgroup comes
from folk from Texas. The only place I know of in the world that it is a
law that you must apply wound dressing is Texas. Texas folks gave Dr. Shigo
a hard time about Modern Arboriculture. They are the only group of people
that I know of that fought him tooth and nail. Who is Dr. Shigo? His
profile is here: http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SHIGOPROFILE.html
There are some good folk from Texas that I have personally studied tree
biology with and dissected trees with. My critics do not dissect trees.
His material is here: www.shigoandtrees.com Enjoy
My critics are primarily from Texas. They disagree with most of Modern
Arboriculture treatments based on a thorough understanding of tree biology.
Go figure. Don Staples, from Texas, is a practicing forester with
communication problems with the researchers in tree biology. The story
addressing the communication problem is here:
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/hardtoget/ntb102/index.html
Just a little background on the issue.
There is a time when wound dressing could be helpful. If you make a flush
cut, like many oaks in Texas suffer from, and paint it with wound dressing.
The wound dressing will stimulate the succession of micro organisms and
speed up the rot process. This would give you a cavity. Not good for the
individual but good for small wildlife that use cavities. In wildlife
management I often make flush cuts in the woods for small wildlife. I
rather not use the wound dressing.
If anybody has any data to state that through research, with controls, wound
dressing has been proven to stop microorganisms or the succession of
microorganisms, please email with the data. I would be happy to review it. |
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| Jangchub... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:02 pm |
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On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:19:36 -0400, "symplastless"
<symplastless at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
Quote: If anybody has any data, such as Texas A & M, to state that through
research, with controls, wound
dressing has been proven to stop microorganisms or the succession of
microorganisms, please email with the data. I would be happy to review it
No, not email my friend. Public. They even mention your "man crush"
in the paper.
http://www.texasoakwilt.org/Documents/Stewardship/Pruning_Article.pdf |
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| Don Staples... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:14 pm |
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"Jangchub" <Jangchub at (no spam) sakadawa.org> wrote in message
news:k2dn64p6pkpi3hnm8tdhij57r8cq2hg7h6 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
Quote: On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:19:36 -0400, "symplastless"
sympleasstless at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
If anybody has any data, such as Texas A & M, to state that through
research, with controls, wound
dressing has been proven to stop microorganisms or the succession of
microorganisms, please email with the data. I would be happy to review it
No, not email my friend. Public. They even mention your "man crush"
in the paper.
http://www.texasoakwilt.org/Documents/Stewardship/Pruning_Article.pdf
Not enough colored pictures for him to become interested. |
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| Jangchub... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:46 pm |
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On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 13:14:37 -0500, "Don Staples"
<dstaples at (no spam) livingston.net> wrote:
Quote: "Jangchub" <Jangchub at (no spam) sakadawa.org> wrote in message
news:k2dn64p6pkpi3hnm8tdhij57r8cq2hg7h6 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:19:36 -0400, "symplastless"
sympleasstless at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
If anybody has any data, such as Texas A & M, to state that through
research, with controls, wound
dressing has been proven to stop microorganisms or the succession of
microorganisms, please email with the data. I would be happy to review it
No, not email my friend. Public. They even mention your "man crush"
in the paper.
http://www.texasoakwilt.org/Documents/Stewardship/Pruning_Article.pdf
Not enough colored pictures for him to become interested.
I have a funny feeling he won't acknowledge this abstract. Probably
if he does, it will be to say how wonderful Shigo methods are. Duh.
The argument is not with Shigo, it's with the the wingnut. |
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| Jangchub... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:30 pm |
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On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:54:57 -0500, "Sue Staples"
<sdstaples at (no spam) livingston.net> wrote:
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"Jangchub" <Jangchub at (no spam) sakadawa.org> wrote in message news:5otn645v4247obhj0v1o7vre689csvjnda at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 13:14:37 -0500, "Don Staples"
dstaples at (no spam) livingston.net> wrote:
"Jangchub" <Jangchub at (no spam) sakadawa.org> wrote in message
news:k2dn64p6pkpi3hnm8tdhij57r8cq2hg7h6 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:19:36 -0400, "symplastless"
sympleasstless at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
If anybody has any data, such as Texas A & M, to state that through
research, with controls, wound
dressing has been proven to stop microorganisms or the succession of
microorganisms, please email with the data. I would be happy to review it
No, not email my friend. Public. They even mention your "man crush"
in the paper.
http://www.texasoakwilt.org/Documents/Stewardship/Pruning_Article.pdf
Not enough colored pictures for him to become interested.
I have a funny feeling he won't acknowledge this abstract. Probably
if he does, it will be to say how wonderful Shigo methods are. Duh.
The argument is not with Shigo, it's with the the wingnut.
I think I have discovered why he will not answer, it is from a publication on Arboriculture & Urban Forestry, some things about which he has no idea.
And hey, it even mentions his boyfriend, Shigo. It took me exactly
three seconds to do a search and about five minutes to read the
abstract which proves why we paint fresh cuts in TX. It has nothing
to do with incorrect pruninig, rather it suggests we use Shigo cuts
which are proper. I don't know one arborist who doesn't know to cut
outside the branch collar. Feh. This is such an incredible waste of
time. |
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| symplastless... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:42 pm |
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urban forestry? please define what a forest is.
"Sue Staples" <sdstaples at (no spam) livingston.net> wrote in message news:79Wdncw40oNVevHVnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d at (no spam) posted.telecomsupplyinc...
"Jangchub" <Jangchub at (no spam) sakadawa.org> wrote in message news:5otn645v4247obhj0v1o7vre689csvjnda at (no spam) 4ax.com...
Quote: On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 13:14:37 -0500, "Don Staples"
dstaples at (no spam) livingston.net> wrote:
"Jangchub" <Jangchub at (no spam) sakadawa.org> wrote in message
news:k2dn64p6pkpi3hnm8tdhij57r8cq2hg7h6 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:19:36 -0400, "symplastless"
sympleasstless at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
If anybody has any data, such as Texas A & M, to state that through
research, with controls, wound
dressing has been proven to stop microorganisms or the succession of
microorganisms, please email with the data. I would be happy to review it
No, not email my friend. Public. They even mention your "man crush"
in the paper.
http://www.texasoakwilt.org/Documents/Stewardship/Pruning_Article.pdf
Not enough colored pictures for him to become interested.
I have a funny feeling he won't acknowledge this abstract. Probably
if he does, it will be to say how wonderful Shigo methods are. Duh.
The argument is not with Shigo, it's with the the wingnut.
I think I have discovered why he will not answer, it is from a publication on Arboriculture & Urban Forestry, some things about which he has no idea. |
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| symplastless... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:43 pm |
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What is the control in the experiment?
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Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that will give them understanding.
"Sue Staples" <sdstaples at (no spam) livingston.net> wrote in message news:79Wdncw40oNVevHVnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d at (no spam) posted.telecomsupplyinc...
"Jangchub" <Jangchub at (no spam) sakadawa.org> wrote in message news:5otn645v4247obhj0v1o7vre689csvjnda at (no spam) 4ax.com...
Quote: On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 13:14:37 -0500, "Don Staples"
dstaples at (no spam) livingston.net> wrote:
"Jangchub" <Jangchub at (no spam) sakadawa.org> wrote in message
news:k2dn64p6pkpi3hnm8tdhij57r8cq2hg7h6 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:19:36 -0400, "symplastless"
sympleasstless at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
If anybody has any data, such as Texas A & M, to state that through
research, with controls, wound
dressing has been proven to stop microorganisms or the succession of
microorganisms, please email with the data. I would be happy to review it
No, not email my friend. Public. They even mention your "man crush"
in the paper.
http://www.texasoakwilt.org/Documents/Stewardship/Pruning_Article.pdf
Not enough colored pictures for him to become interested.
I have a funny feeling he won't acknowledge this abstract. Probably
if he does, it will be to say how wonderful Shigo methods are. Duh.
The argument is not with Shigo, it's with the the wingnut.
I think I have discovered why he will not answer, it is from a publication on Arboriculture & Urban Forestry, some things about which he has no idea. |
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| Jangchub... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:05 pm |
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On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 18:43:16 -0400, "symplastless"
<symplastless at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
Quote: What is the control in the experiment?
Everyone, close your eyes now.
Go fuck off you asshole. Read the study fucknut. Yeah yeah, not
Buddhists...fuck off to you too. I am so sick of the mental patient
mentality with you. FUCK OFF JOHN! |
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| D. Staples... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:43 pm |
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"symplastless" <symplastless at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote in message news:R5WdnS6nhIgmyPDVnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d at (no spam) comcast.com...
urban forestry? please define what a forest is.
What an ignorant dumb fuck you are, yard man. |
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| D. Staples... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:44 pm |
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"Jangchub" <Jangchub at (no spam) sakadawa.org> wrote in message
news:0mmq64lejrqe2ct6q49pbrfqq06uvsdoqq at (no spam) 4ax.com...
Quote: On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 18:43:16 -0400, "symplastless"
symplastless at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
What is the control in the experiment?
Everyone, close your eyes now.
Go fuck off you asshole. Read the study fucknut. Yeah yeah, not
Buddhists...fuck off to you too. I am so sick of the mental patient
mentality with you. FUCK OFF JOHN!
Like I said, not enough colored pictures, he never read it. |
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| Billy... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:14 pm |
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In article <b2aq64tl5ug62ffqjtttuugr6aebk3krq8 at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
Jangchub <Jangchub at (no spam) sakadawa.org> wrote:
Quote: On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:54:57 -0500, "Sue Staples"
sdstaples at (no spam) livingston.net> wrote:
"Jangchub" <Jangchub at (no spam) sakadawa.org> wrote in message
news:5otn645v4247obhj0v1o7vre689csvjnda at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 13:14:37 -0500, "Don Staples"
dstaples at (no spam) livingston.net> wrote:
"Jangchub" <Jangchub at (no spam) sakadawa.org> wrote in message
news:k2dn64p6pkpi3hnm8tdhij57r8cq2hg7h6 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:19:36 -0400, "symplastless"
sympleasstless at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
If anybody has any data, such as Texas A & M, to state that through
research, with controls, wound
dressing has been proven to stop microorganisms or the succession of
microorganisms, please email with the data. I would be happy to review
it
No, not email my friend. Public. They even mention your "man crush"
in the paper.
http://www.texasoakwilt.org/Documents/Stewardship/Pruning_Article.pdf
Not enough colored pictures for him to become interested.
I have a funny feeling he won't acknowledge this abstract. Probably
if he does, it will be to say how wonderful Shigo methods are. Duh.
The argument is not with Shigo, it's with the the wingnut.
I think I have discovered why he will not answer, it is from a publication
on Arboriculture & Urban Forestry, some things about which he has no idea.
And hey, it even mentions his boyfriend, Shigo. It took me exactly
three seconds to do a search and about five minutes to read the
abstract which proves why we paint fresh cuts in TX. It has nothing
to do with incorrect pruninig, rather it suggests we use Shigo cuts
which are proper. I don't know one arborist who doesn't know to cut
outside the branch collar. Feh. This is such an incredible waste of
time.
Well, for once, some useful and interesting information emerged from
from the pile of invectives and ad hominems.
--
Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related |
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| Billy... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:25 pm |
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In article <udednVIQtcGR-fDVnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d at (no spam) posted.telecomsupplyinc>,
"D. Staples" <forester66 at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: "symplastless" <symplastless at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote in message
news:R5WdnS6nhIgmyPDVnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d at (no spam) comcast.com...
urban forestry? please define what a forest is.
Thought I'd give it a go;o)
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/exhibits/biomes/forests.php
The forest biome
About 420 million years ago, during the Silurian Period, ancient plants
and arthropods began to occupy the land. Over the millions of years that
followed, these land colonizers developed and adapted to their new
habitat. The first forests were dominated by giant horsetails, club
mosses, and ferns that stood up to 40 feet tall.
Life on Earth continued to evolve, and in the late Paleozoic,
gymnosperms appeared. By the Triassic Period (245-208 mya), gymnosperms
dominated the Earth's forests. In the Cretaceous Period (144-65m mya),
the first flowering plants (angiosperms) appeared. They evolved together
with insects, birds, and mammals and radiated rapidly, dominating the
landscape by the end of the Period. The landscape changed again during
the Pleistocene Ice Ages ‹ the surface of the planet that had been
dominated by tropical forests for millions of years changed, and
temperate forests spread in the Northern Hemisphere.
Today, forests occupy approximately one-third of Earth's land area,
account for over two-thirds of the leaf area of land plants, and contain
about 70% of carbon present in living things. They have been held in
reverence in folklore and worshipped in ancient religions. However,
forests are becoming major casualties of civilization as human
populations have increased over the past several thousand years,
bringing deforestation, pollution, and industrial usage problems to this
important biome.
Present-day forest biomes, biological communities that are dominated by
trees and other woody vegetation (Spurr and Barnes 1980), can be
classified according to numerous characteristics, with seasonality being
the most widely used. Distinct forest types also occur within each of
these broad groups.
There are three major types of forests, classed according to latitude:
* Tropical
* Temperate
* Boreal forests (taiga)
Temperate forest
Temperate forests occur in eastern North America, northeastern Asia, and
western and central Europe. Well-defined seasons with a distinct winter
characterize this forest biome. Moderate climate and a growing season of
140-200 days during 4-6 frost-free months distinguish temperate forests.
* Temperature varies from -30° C to 30° C.
* Precipitation (75-150 cm) is distributed evenly throughout the
year.
* Soil is fertile, enriched with decaying litter.
* Canopy is moderately dense and allows light to penetrate,
resulting in well-developed and richly diversified understory vegetation
and stratification of animals.
* Flora is characterized by 3-4 tree species per square kilometer.
Trees are distinguished by broad leaves that are lost annually and
include such species as oak, hickory, beech, hemlock, maple, basswood,
cottonwood, elm, willow, and spring-flowering herbs.
* Fauna is represented by squirrels, rabbits, skunks, birds, deer,
mountain lion, bobcat, timber wolf, fox, and black bear.
Further subdivisions of this group are determined by seasonal
distribution of rainfall:
* moist conifer and evergreen broad-leaved forests: wet winters and
dry summers (rainfall is concentrated in the winter months and winters
are relatively mild).
* dry conifer forests: dominate higher elevation zones; low
precipitation.
* mediterranean forests: precipitation is concentrated in winter,
less than 1000 mm per year.
* temperate coniferous: mild winters, high annual precipitation
(greater than 2000 mm).
* temperate broad-leaved rainforests: mild, frost-free winters, high
precipitation (more than 1500 mm) evenly distributed throughout the year.
Only scattered remnants of original temperate forests remain.
--
Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related |
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| Jangchub... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:56 pm |
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:14:12 -0700, Billy <wildbilly at (no spam) getthe.net>
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Quote: Well, for once, some useful and interesting information emerged from
from the pile of invectives and ad hominems.
It's always been there. It will always be there. I didn't feel I had
anything to prove. I supplied the abstract and he didn't even read
it.
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| Jangchub... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:58 pm |
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On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 18:44:11 -0500, "D. Staples" <forester66 at (no spam) yahoo.com>
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Quote: Like I said, not enough colored pictures, he never read it.
I know. I was just sayin'...
Phew that dude is an asswipe. Maybe he's my teacher. Teacher of
patience. I need more of it. Patience, not him. |
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