Not that I would necessarily agree with the shootings - I don't know
what really transpired.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/30/burglary.shooting.ap/index.html

Not that I would necessarily agree with the shootings - I don't know what
really transpired.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/30/burglary.shooting.ap/index.html

And you apparently missed the part where they told him not to shoot
didn't you?

Like arrest robbers in someone else's house. Nobody said you don't
have a right to defend yourself. I said this was a clear case of
excessive force. Shoot them in the legs, or the ass, or some
non-lethal area.

Yeah that would have happened if he aimed at their legs wouldn't it.

Nutbar number 3. Funny, everytime I have called them when I lived in
NJ they drew their weapons and went right in the house looking for
robbers. But nothing in Texas would surprise me as I said.

John Kulp wrote

You really are a nutbar aren't you?

Not at all. I simply believe in a law abiding citizen's right to defend his
property against predators. Notbars are the ones that think the loss of
life of an illegal alien, who has already been deported once for a felony
crime, who came back illegally again, was apprehended in the process of
commiting another felony, in a state that does allow deadly force for the
protection of property, was the fault of the citizen that protected his
neighbor's property.

Yeah, happened in Texas, the land of the brave where Dubya hid out in
a National Guard unit so others could serve in Vietnam instead of him.
The only state where burglary too is a capital crime to idiots and
idiots don't let trained police do their jobs.

The police did their job. They were someplace else. When seconds count,
the police are only minutes away. Here's a clue for you since you don't
seem to have one of your own. The police not only can't prevent crimes, are
not only not responsible for doing so, they are legally constrained from
doing so. In most cases, they are unable to do anything until a crime has
been committed. Then, and only then, can they apprehend the criminal.

As for Bush, he wasn't there either. By the way, he's the head of the same
part of the government that the police are. He was more than minutes away.

John Kulp wrote

Nutbar too. Never heard of police huh?

Who do you think responds to 911 calls? They failed to get the job done.
He didn't. The Grand Jury agrees. When you, or your family are victims of
a home invasion crime, let us know how you feel about the perpetrators
escaping with your property because the police can't get there in time to
stop them. Let us all know how safe you and your family feel knowing that
criminals know they can enter your home, without fear of effective
resistance and without fear of arrest because they already know the police
can't get there in time.

Grumman-581 wrote

The ridiculous thing is that this was even brought before the grand jury
by
the D.A. in that it was obviously a legal shooting with respect to Texas
laws... The only thing Joe Horn did wrong is call 911 first...

I disagree. It is a wise thing to call 911 first. In fact, it's a common
recommendation by the police. He or she who makes that call first
establishes themselves as most likely to be law abiding.

The mistake he made was telling the 911 operator that he was going to kill
them. We know that it was a possibility. We know that it is a legal act in
Texas. I have a problem with going out with the specific intent to kill as
opposed to the intent to apprehend, with the knowledge that doing so MAY
required shooting them.

John Kulp wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:22:00 -0400, "Lee Bell"
pleebell at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:

Joe English wrote

Not that I would necessarily agree with the shootings - I don't know what
really transpired.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/30/burglary.shooting.ap/index.html
Good for him.

You really are a nutbar aren't you?

We don't know exactly what happened, but we do know that the "suspected'
burglars were unemployed, illegal, aliens from Colombia and that one of them
had previously been deported for a drug related crime. It seems the he, and
his friend, were here to share in the benefits of the land of the free and
the home of the brave. It also seems that they thought that, not only was
the land free, but so was whatever they wanted that belonged to someone else
. . . or perhaps they just made a mistake and were climbing in and out of
the window of people who were out of town by accident. They probably
thought it was their house even though it didn't really look like someplace
an unemployed, illegal alien would live.

Yeah, happened in Texas, the land of the brave where Dubya hid out in
a National Guard unit so others could serve in Vietnam instead of him.
The only state where burglary too is a capital crime to idiots and
idiots don't let trained police do their jobs.

Burglary is not a capital crime in Texas, but obviously the idiots that
burgled a house thought the risk was worth their lives. They choose poorly.

Why George Bush is mentioned is beyond me. Doesn't seem to be relevant
to the story or that he can be blamed for it. Bush hiding out in
National Guard unit certainly isn't suspect in this case either. Seems
the idiots here will go as far as they can to Blame Bush for things he
had absolutely no part of. Go figure...

It was pretty inconvenient when they discovered the second part of that
"land of the free and the home of the brave," by running into someone that
was not afraid to act to stop them.

Yeah, shoulr have sent that war hero Dubya to do the job instead.

Why would they send Bush??

John Kulp wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 04:15:24 +0000 (UTC), "Grumman-581"
grumman581+usenet-2008 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Joe English <joe2aenglish at (no spam) wisperhome.com> wrote in news:486983ae$0$17668
$ec3e2dad at (no spam) news.usenetmonster.com:

Not that I would necessarily agree with the shootings - I don't know
what really transpired.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/30/burglary.shooting.ap/index.html
The ridiculous thing is that this was even brought before the grand jury by
the D.A. in that it was obviously a legal shooting with respect to Texas
laws... The only thing Joe Horn did wrong is call 911 first...

Nutbar too. Never heard of police huh?



You must missed the part where he called 911. I rather carry a gun than
carry a cop

Joe English wrote

You must missed the part where he called 911. I rather carry a gun than
carry a cop

A gun is considerably lighter and much easier to conceal.

Possibly my favorite saying of all time is "When seconds count, the police
are only minutes away."

I really respect the job that good cops do, but, realistically, there's only
so much they can do. I don't want my life, that of my friends and family,
or even my property, to completely depend on their being able to be there
when they are needed.

Like I said to Grumman, I don't think John Horn made a mistake by calling
911. I think he absolutely needed to do that. I do think he made a mistake
telling them that he was going to kill the intruders and I hope that, in
reality, he had not yet made that decision. Either way, the intruders
committed the illegal acts that exposed them to Mr. Horn's legal response.
They knew what they were doing and they knew the possible consequences.
Perhaps they didn't expect someone to actually have the guts to risk a trial
to stop them. Very few, these days, would. Mr. Horn did. I hope those
considering similar acts learn from the mistake these too made, but I
wouldn't bet on it.

On Jul 1, 8:06 am, "Lee Bell" <pleeb... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:
Like I said to Grumman, I don't think John Horn made a mistake by calling
911. I think he absolutely needed to do that. I do think he made a mistake
telling them that he was going to kill the intruders and I hope that, in
reality, he had not yet made that decision. Either way, the intruders
committed the illegal acts that exposed them to Mr. Horn's legal response.
They knew what they were doing and they knew the possible consequences.
Perhaps they didn't expect someone to actually have the guts to risk a trial
to stop them. Very few, these days, would. Mr. Horn did. I hope those
considering similar acts learn from the mistake these too made, but I
wouldn't bet on it.

What a hero. Shooting not one but two people in the back!!!!

On Jul 1, 12:48 am, john_k... at (no spam) hotmail.com (John Kulp) wrote:

Nutbar too.

That is almost funny coming from a far left nutbar like you.

Never heard of police huh?

Sure have, looks like these cops needed some police too;

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CHINA_POLICE_KILLED?SITE=TXHAR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT