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| fzbuilder... |
 Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:02 pm |
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Hey all, I have a issue with my starter cranking the engine so slow
that it will not start, then drains the battery. This happens with any
battery I put in it. I even had a Snap-on starter boost charger on it
and still not enough cranking. I ended up wiring 2 batteries in seires
for 24volts and it would crank fast (but still not start), then kill
the batteries after a few times. I am wondering if I have a dead short
somewhere and if anyone has any ideas before I start replacing stuff.
I just replaced the coil and after doing some tests per the Penta Book
and now I have spark, but I am worried to put the 24volts back on and
damage anything. I orginaly put the 24volts on from some advise and
now I hear that can mess up your system. Help Please!! |
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| Tim... |
| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:37 pm |
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On Jun 19, 9:02 pm, fzbuilder <Travis.Kai... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Hey all, I have a issue with my starter cranking the engine so slow
that it will not start, then drains the battery. This happens with any
battery I put in it. I even had a Snap-on starter boost charger on it
and still not enough cranking. I ended up wiring 2 batteries in seires
for 24volts and it would crank fast (but still not start), then kill
the batteries after a few times. I am wondering if I have a dead short
somewhere and if anyone has any ideas before I start replacing stuff.
I just replaced the coil and after doing some tests per the Penta Book
and now I have spark, but I am worried to put the 24volts back on and
damage anything. I orginaly put the 24volts on from some advise and
now I hear that can mess up your system. Help Please!!
Before you blow up something because of cheap advice go through a
common sense check list.
If you had a dead short, something would be getting really hot, really
quick!
If your'e geting spark thats fine. OK, now how about fuel? is the
carburator geting gas? Pull the spark arrester air cleaner off, and
manually work the throttle at the carburator as see if you're getting
a fuel spray in the carb. All the spark in the world wont start the
engine if you don't have fuel.
look the situation over. Did it start fine, then all of a sudden
develop a problem, or has it been gradually going down?
clean connections! battery terminals even check the negative cable
where it hooks to the engine block. If you crank the starter for a
moment, then feel your battery connections and find a hot one, you've
found the problem.
If anything else pull the starter and have a reputable mechanic or a
local auto electric shop test it out. Jim could be right about worn or
possible dry bushings.
Have you ever had the bildge full of water to the point where the
starter motor got wet? If so, it's probably corroded inside. If its a
direct drive delco starter it's not an expensive process to install
brushs and bushings in it..
But again, check ALL the engine electric connections first.
And leave the 24v stuff alone. There's no need for it. |
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| Jim... |
| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:23 pm |
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"fzbuilder" <Travis.Kaiser at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d6289524-47f9-4c5b-9cfb-d1337c0cf2da at (no spam) z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
Quote: Hey all, I have a issue with my starter cranking the engine so slow
that it will not start, then drains the battery. This happens with any
battery I put in it. I even had a Snap-on starter boost charger on it
and still not enough cranking. I ended up wiring 2 batteries in seires
for 24volts and it would crank fast (but still not start), then kill
the batteries after a few times. I am wondering if I have a dead short
somewhere and if anyone has any ideas before I start replacing stuff.
I just replaced the coil and after doing some tests per the Penta Book
and now I have spark, but I am worried to put the 24volts back on and
damage anything. I orginaly put the 24volts on from some advise and
now I hear that can mess up your system. Help Please!!
Don't put 24V on a 12V circuit. You could blow anything or everything. Most
likely the bushings in your starter are worn. Make sure your wiring is in
good shape before you pull the starter, though. |
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| HK... |
| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:28 pm |
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fzbuilder wrote:
Quote: Hey all, I have a issue with my starter cranking the engine so slow
that it will not start, then drains the battery. This happens with any
battery I put in it. I even had a Snap-on starter boost charger on it
and still not enough cranking. I ended up wiring 2 batteries in seires
for 24volts and it would crank fast (but still not start), then kill
the batteries after a few times. I am wondering if I have a dead short
somewhere and if anyone has any ideas before I start replacing stuff.
I just replaced the coil and after doing some tests per the Penta Book
and now I have spark, but I am worried to put the 24volts back on and
damage anything. I orginaly put the 24volts on from some advise and
now I hear that can mess up your system. Help Please!!
I would guess a shot starter. Who the hell told you to hook 24 volts up
to a 12-volt system? That is wrong, wrong, wrong. |
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| Lost In Space/Woodchuck... |
| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:22 pm |
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dead short... yep you got one, it's your brain cells for going 24v!
"fzbuilder" <Travis.Kaiser at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d6289524-47f9-4c5b-9cfb-d1337c0cf2da at (no spam) z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
Quote: Hey all, I have a issue with my starter cranking the engine so slow
that it will not start, then drains the battery. This happens with any
battery I put in it. I even had a Snap-on starter boost charger on it
and still not enough cranking. I ended up wiring 2 batteries in seires
for 24volts and it would crank fast (but still not start), then kill
the batteries after a few times. I am wondering if I have a dead short
somewhere and if anyone has any ideas before I start replacing stuff.
I just replaced the coil and after doing some tests per the Penta Book
and now I have spark, but I am worried to put the 24volts back on and
damage anything. I orginaly put the 24volts on from some advise and
now I hear that can mess up your system. Help Please!! |
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| Jim... |
| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:02 pm |
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"fzbuilder" <Travis.Kaiser at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 22, 11:10 am, "Calif Bill" <bmckees... at (no spam) ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Quote: "fzbuilder" <Travis.Kai... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d6289524-47f9-4c5b-9cfb-d1337c0cf2da at (no spam) z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
Hey all, I have a issue with my starter cranking the engine so slow
that it will not start, then drains the battery. This happens with any
battery I put in it. I even had a Snap-on starter boost charger on it
and still not enough cranking. I ended up wiring 2 batteries in seires
for 24volts and it would crank fast (but still not start), then kill
the batteries after a few times. I am wondering if I have a dead short
somewhere and if anyone has any ideas before I start replacing stuff.
I just replaced the coil and after doing some tests per the Penta Book
and now I have spark, but I am worried to put the 24volts back on and
damage anything. I orginaly put the 24volts on from some advise and
now I hear that can mess up your system. Help Please!!
Ok...here is the latest. I took the starter off and took it to the
auto store. They tested it 3 times in a computerized machine and it
tested fine (passed) on all levels. Went home and put the starter
back on then double checked all the electrical and conections. Tried
to start it, but same thing. Pulled all the plugs and wammmm...spins
like crazy. My next step is to pull the valve covers and make sure all
valves are moving. Any thoughts?
Did water come out of any of the spark plug holes when you cranked it over?
I still think you should do a voltage drop test on the positive and negative
starter wiring. |
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