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| Frank S... |
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I have a friend who's dad passed away in NY. His sister is holding the guns
there (she is an LEO). We live in NC, and he was asking how to LEAGALY get
the guns. Who does he have to call, NY State, the BATF? In NC you don't need
to have a permit to own handguns. You need a permit to carry, and to
purchase (if you don't have a CCW).
Just looking for some advice not FLAMES.
Thanks
Frank Raleigh NC
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| Herb Martin... |
| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:32 am |
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Why do you need an FFL for OUT-shipping?
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| Advocate54... |
| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:32 am |
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# Why doesn't he just call the State Police or his county Sheriff. That's
# where he'll get the right answers. BATF has nothing to do with NY handgun
# regulations. He'll need a permit to get the guns and depending on what
# county he lives in that can take a couple of months to many months. If
# his
# sister is an LEO, she ought to know all of this stuff. I'd steer him to
# his
# county sheriff - that's who is going to process his pistol permit.
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I wouldn't trust the police or sheriff department to give me the correct
information. This is not a jurisdictional question; it's taking place
between two states.
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| Ben Magista... |
| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:39 pm |
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"Herb Martin" <news at (no spam) learnquick.com> wrote in message
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# "Pea Shooter" <jpq3 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
# news:g30gsd$c0k$1 at (no spam) grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
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# I wondered about that -- can he take possesion (initially)
# of a handgun in another state?
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# (And maybe NY complicates it.)
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# If he can legally take possesion then he can just go home.
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# If they belong to him already (under the law) he MIGHT
# find they can be shipped directly to him without violation.
If they already belong to him under the law can't he ship them to himself?
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| Don Staples... |
| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:39 pm |
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"Herb Martin" <news at (no spam) learnquick.com> wrote in message
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# Why do you need an FFL for OUT-shipping?
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Not knowing the New York state of things, I would think it is a safety
mechanism to go through FFL's.
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| Ron Bloom... |
| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:39 pm |
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"Herb Martin" <news at (no spam) learnquick.com> wrote in message
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# Why do you need an FFL for OUT-shipping?
I believe it is a federal law or at least a postal regulation, unless the
handgun is being shipped back to the maker or gunsmith for repair. Handguns
have to go from FFL to FFL in the postal service, long guns can go from
individual to FFL.
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| Ron Bloom... |
| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:39 pm |
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"Advocate54" <llafrin at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in message
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# # Why doesn't he just call the State Police or his county Sheriff. That's
# # where he'll get the right answers. BATF has nothing to do with NY
# handgun
# # regulations. He'll need a permit to get the guns and depending on what
# # county he lives in that can take a couple of months to many months. If
# # his
# # sister is an LEO, she ought to know all of this stuff. I'd steer him to
# # his
# # county sheriff - that's who is going to process his pistol permit.
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# I wouldn't trust the police or sheriff department to give me the correct
# information. This is not a jurisdictional question; it's taking place
# between two states.
As a refugee from the People's Democratic Republic of New York, I can tell
you there are plenty of bureaucrats sitting around doing nothing, waiting
for some poor sucker to come into their office so they can micro manage
their lives and tell them what to do. If you contact any NY authorities on
the local or state level, you will 99% of the time get an answer that is
WRONG, and goes AGAINST you. They will suck you right in, and look for ways
to separate you from your money to keep the bloated, largest in the nation,
government funded. They won't look for reasons to help you, they will look
for ways to screw you because government in New York, like that in the
Soviet Union, is to give the friends, and relatives of party officials jobs,
not to provide services.
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| Dale Glover... |
| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:39 pm |
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"Frank S" <items4sale at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Put 'em in a box, unloaded of course, with ammo and mags in a separate box
or suitcase, all sealed or locked and put in trunk of car. Have sister
bring 'em to NC or your "friend" go get 'em. Just mind your P's and Q's
when driving back - no speeding or reckless or drunk driving and you will be
OK. Because of my job I have lived in over a dozen states and have had no
trouble. In one major move the movers screwed up and put all firearms in
the moving truck. Everything got there AOK, but I did sweat it, however!.
I am retired and back home in NC, now - God's country!
Cheers,
Dale
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| Ron Bloom... |
| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:24 pm |
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# Further, it is unlawful for any person to receive from any postmaster,
# postal clerk, employee in the parcel post department, rural mail carrier,
# express agent or employee, or railroad agent or employee, within the State
# of North Carolina, any pistol without having in his or her possession such
# a
# pistol permit.
These clowns need to go back and revise their laws. Under this trash a
gunsmith would have to get a permit to work on the gun, as well as FFL's to
receive a gun.
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Ron Bloom
Sic Semper Tyrannis - Thus Always to Tyrants
Collector of Military Curio & Relic Firearms
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| Dale Glover... |
| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:24 pm |
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"Digger" <digger44 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Hey Kenneth, much of TX is AOK (I lived there for a couple of years). Many
Tarheels settled there after helping TX gain its independence.
Cheers,
Dale
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| Dale Glover... |
| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:24 pm |
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"Henry" <henry8bits at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Oh s***! Looks like I have broken every law on the books across the length
and breath of this country. After returning to my native state of NC after
over 40 years and being a resident of so many states I can't remember, the
first thing I did was talk to the chief LEO (sheriff) about obtaining a CCW
(after I had brought the guns into the state). I told him from whence the
guns were brought from and what should I do. He looked at me like I was a
nut case and asked what kind of problem did I think there may be. Just
checking, I said. He said wait three months (or 30 days - I can't remember
7 years back) and establish residency and take a CCW course. Which I did.
Since then the chief LEO (sheriff) has changed a couple of times. The
bottom line is : What the hell are you (or your friend) worried about?
Just go get the damn things . They belong to your friend. NY should be
tickled pink to get rid of a few guns. Most places in NC don't care if a
few more guns are owned by its law- abiding citizens. I guarentee if you go
asking a bunch of damnyankee LEO's and lawyers you (or your friend) will
have more problems and expence than you want.
Just my good ole Tarheel two cents worth.
Dale
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| Mike Gaskins... |
| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:18 am |
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On Jun 16, 6:50 am, "Ron Bloom" <rcblo... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
# The reason they ship USPS is because they are twice as fast and half the
# price of the crooks at UPS who put the $30 charge on us because they hire
# THIEVES. USPS will ship long guns, and I ship everything through the USPS.
# I even ask people who ship anything UPS, WHY? They take twice as long and
# cost twice as much as the USPS.
Totally agree here. Whenever possible I'll have a shipper ship via
USPS to my FFL. For my C&R purchases, I've rarely found dealers that
will ship them via USPS (maybe there's a law there), though I greatly
prefer it. Main reason is just the headaches I've had with UPS.
For one, since I'm never at home to receive a shipment (they deliver
when most people are at work), and they can't just leave a gun on the
doorstep, then I have to pick the thing up from their office. Thing
is, they're only open during normal business hours (when I, like most
people, am at WORK), and hold no Saturday hours. So, essentially I
have to take time off from work to go get them. Would it really kill
them to open the office for 2-3 hours on a Saturday morning so people
can take care of stuff then? USPS does it. Fedex does it. UPS has
to be a pain in this regard though.
Also, they returned several hundred dollars of airbrush equipment I
ordered once. Again, they wouldn't deliver at my home, but since it
was just airbrush stuff I figured I'd call and have them reroute it to
work (my boss doesn't care - she has actually said she doesn't care if
I had my guns shipped there as long as I didn't take them out the box
at work, but I'm still not comfortable with that  ). The idiots at
UPS brought the package by at 7:00pm when only the security guard was
still there. He (rightly so) told them that he was just the guard and
couldn't accept a package, so they marked it as refused and shipped it
back to the vendor  .
It's a real shame that you often can't simply refuse to do business
with a shipping company without cutting off a lot of potential
merchants, but I avoid them whenever I have the option to.
Mike
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| Ron Bloom... |
| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:05 am |
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"J Buck" <jbuck41 at (no spam) webtv.net> wrote in message
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# Ron Bloom wrote: < The reason they ship USPS is because they are twice
# as fast and half the price of the crooks at UPS who put the $30 charge
# on us because they hire THIEVES.>
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# My male bovine excrement detector just pinned it's needle.
Tell me Buck, what part of my statement is BS?
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| Jim Yanik... |
| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:05 am |
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jbuck41 at (no spam) webtv.net (J Buck) wrote in
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# Ron Bloom wrote: < The reason they ship USPS is because they are twice
# as fast and half the price of the crooks at UPS who put the $30 charge
# on us because they hire THIEVES.>
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# My male bovine excrement detector just pinned it's needle.
USPS has lost two mail items of mine,one $80 set of SDRAM bought off
Ebay(Priority Mail with "tracking number"),and one month's electric bill
for which I was charged a late fee.
The Postmaster said I could be trying to scam them on the missing SDRAM;
I live in an apartment,and my mail gets delivered to a box in a kiosk,and
there are large boxes for mail that doesn't fit into my personal mailbox.
I had checked the package's progress online,and went to the mailroom within
hours of it's "delivery".
Lesson learned;
DONT trust USPS.
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| Ron Bloom... |
| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 3:25 pm |
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"George Shirley" <gshirl at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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# Ron Bloom wrote:
# # The Teamster's Union is the reason why UPS is no where to be found on
# # weekends and holidays, and also their high operating costs.
# I can agree with most of this post except the weekends and holidays
# part. My eldest grandson drives for UPS, has been with them ten years.
# He works nearly every Saturday and most holidays because he gets lots of
# extra overtime for doing it.
They deliver on Saturdays?
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