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Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 9:34 am
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Hi friends,

A trouble to me. An opera-fan old gentleman is going to have his
birthday celebration, I was "ordered" to look for a fantastic and more
modern "Der Ring des Nibelungen" CDs for him. Ah, 13+ hours music +
singing, I got no clue, can someone help?

(What kills me is that he knows opera...)

Tonnes of thanks.

Blessings
SF
John Bryant...
Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 9:42 am
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On May 27, 8:34 pm, Bog.lyub... at (no spam) gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
Hi friends,

A trouble to me.  An opera-fan old gentleman is going to have his
birthday celebration, I was "ordered" to look for a fantastic and more
modern "Der Ring des Nibelungen" CDs for him.  Ah, 13+ hours music +
singing, I got no clue, can someone help?

(What kills me is that he knows opera...)

Tonnes of thanks.

Blessings
SF

How "modern" is modern? Solti's recording of the Ring was made between
1958 & 1965, but it sounds as if it could have been recorded
yesterday. Not only that, it's absolutely stunning.

JB.
Lionel Tacchini...
Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:47 am
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On 27 Mai, 21:42, John Bryant <brit... at (no spam) googlemail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On May 27, 8:34 pm, Bog.lyub... at (no spam) gmail.com wrote:

Hi friends,

A trouble to me.  An opera-fan old gentleman is going to have his
birthday celebration, I was "ordered" to look for a fantastic and more
modern "Der Ring des Nibelungen" CDs for him.  Ah, 13+ hours music +
singing, I got no clue, can someone help?

(What kills me is that he knows opera...)

Tonnes of thanks.

Blessings
SF

How "modern" is modern? Solti's recording of the Ring was made between
1958 & 1965, but it sounds as if it could have been recorded
yesterday. Not only that, it's absolutely stunning.

40 years old is not "modern".

This 4 year old production under Bertrand de Billy might do much
better for someone who most certainly knows all the holy cows which
will be discussed here and would enjoy finding out what has been
happening relatively recently:
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/hnum/9950285

It's on DVD though.

Lionel Tacchini
John Bryant...
Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:01 am
Guest
On May 27, 9:47 pm, Lionel Tacchini <lionel.tacch... at (no spam) arcor.de> wrote:

Quote:

40 years old is not "modern".

No, but it *sounds* "modern".

Quote:
This 4 year old production under Bertrand de Billy might do much
better for someone who most certainly knows all the holy cows which
will be discussed here and would enjoy finding out what has been
happening relatively recently:http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/hnum/9950285

You may well be right, and I'm sure that the OP will take note of all
recommendations - as would I.

Quote:
It's on DVD though.

That's great if one has a DVD player, but I haven't. Thanks anyway,
it's always good to hear an alternative view.

Regards,

JB.
John Bryant...
Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:30 am
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On May 27, 10:21 pm, "Wagner Fan" <wagner... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:


Quote:
No no - get the Solti - its the one Ring to have if you're having only one -
it better cast than any other complete, has stupendous sound and its
extremely satisfying for a first timer - one can go into other versions with
other virtues later on.  Wagner Fan

Thanks, but I already have it - hence my recommendation. I agree with
you completely, the sound is marvellous and the performance almost
faultless. In my humble opinion, of course.

JB.
AlisonC...
Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 1:32 pm
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On May 27, 8:34 pm, Bog.lyub... at (no spam) gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
Hi friends,

A trouble to me.  An opera-fan old gentleman is going to have his
birthday celebration, I was "ordered" to look for a fantastic and more
modern "Der Ring des Nibelungen" CDs for him.  Ah, 13+ hours music +
singing, I got no clue, can someone help?

(What kills me is that he knows opera...)

Tonnes of thanks.

Blessings
SF

It's a nice idea but I think rather than buying a surprise present it
might be a good idea to discuss it with the birthday boy - people who
are keen on Wagner often have several sets of Ring recordings already
and strong feelings about which other ones they want. For example, I
believe the Keilberth Ring on Testament is very popular at the moment
but it's not modern - more "rediscovered". http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//SBT141412.htm
John Bryant...
Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 1:50 pm
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On May 28, 12:39 am, Kalman Rubinson <k... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:


Quote:
Then, what are you looking for?  There are several new Rings in
multichannel on DVD and SACD but they require other than CD
players in order to experience the multichannel effects.  

The Haenchen Ring performances on Et'Cetera is supposedly
based on some new scholarship and the performance is not
bad at all.

Kal

Thanks for your recommendation, but I'm not looking for any more
Wagner as my collection of his music is more-or-less complete, apart
from a couple of early works - Die Feen, for example.

JB.
Wagner Fan...
Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 4:21 pm
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"John Bryant" <britjct at (no spam) googlemail.com> wrote in message
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On May 27, 9:47 pm, Lionel Tacchini <lionel.tacch... at (no spam) arcor.de> wrote:

Quote:

40 years old is not "modern".

No, but it *sounds* "modern".

Quote:
This 4 year old production under Bertrand de Billy might do much
better for someone who most certainly knows all the holy cows which
will be discussed here and would enjoy finding out what has been
happening relatively
recently:http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/hnum/9950285

You may well be right, and I'm sure that the OP will take note of all
recommendations - as would I.

Quote:
It's on DVD though.

That's great if one has a DVD player, but I haven't. Thanks anyway,
it's always good to hear an alternative view.

Regards,

JB.


No no - get the Solti - its the one Ring to have if you're having only one -
it better cast than any other complete, has stupendous sound and its
extremely satisfying for a first timer - one can go into other versions with
other virtues later on. Wagner Fan
Kalman Rubinson...
Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 6:39 pm
Guest
On Tue, 27 May 2008 14:30:45 -0700 (PDT), John Bryant
<britjct at (no spam) googlemail.com> wrote:

Quote:
On May 27, 10:21 pm, "Wagner Fan" <wagner... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:


No no - get the Solti - its the one Ring to have if you're having only one -
it better cast than any other complete, has stupendous sound and its
extremely satisfying for a first timer - one can go into other versions with
other virtues later on.  Wagner Fan

Thanks, but I already have it - hence my recommendation. I agree with
you completely, the sound is marvellous and the performance almost
faultless. In my humble opinion, of course.

Then, what are you looking for? There are several new Rings in
multichannel on DVD and SACD but they require other than CD
players in order to experience the multichannel effects.

The Haenchen Ring performances on Et'Cetera is supposedly
based on some new scholarship and the performance is not
bad at all.

Kal
Wagner Fan...
Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 6:46 pm
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"Kalman Rubinson" <kr4 at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:gm6p345a8hogfov8foftuq5ctbl5taoohj at (no spam) 4ax.com...
Quote:
On Tue, 27 May 2008 14:30:45 -0700 (PDT), John Bryant
britjct at (no spam) googlemail.com> wrote:

On May 27, 10:21 pm, "Wagner Fan" <wagner... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:


No no - get the Solti - its the one Ring to have if you're having only
one -
it better cast than any other complete, has stupendous sound and its
extremely satisfying for a first timer - one can go into other versions
with
other virtues later on. Wagner Fan

Thanks, but I already have it - hence my recommendation. I agree with
you completely, the sound is marvellous and the performance almost
faultless. In my humble opinion, of course.

Then, what are you looking for? There are several new Rings in
multichannel on DVD and SACD but they require other than CD
players in order to experience the multichannel effects.

The Haenchen Ring performances on Et'Cetera is supposedly
based on some new scholarship and the performance is not
bad at all.

Kal

I thought the original poster was clear in that he was looking for CDs.

Wagner Fan
William Sommerwerck...
Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 8:04 pm
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"Kalman Rubinson" <kr4 at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:gm6p345a8hogfov8foftuq5ctbl5taoohj at (no spam) 4ax.com...
Quote:
On Tue, 27 May 2008 14:30:45 -0700 (PDT), John Bryant
britjct at (no spam) googlemail.com> wrote:

The Haenchen Ring performances on Et'Cetera is supposedly
based on some new scholarship and the performance is not
bad at all.

I have this SACD set, and though I have reservations, it's a performance
quite unlike any other. It makes an excellent complement to the Solti.

I like the Boulez, too, but it appears to be only available as a DVD set.
Kalman Rubinson...
Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 8:58 pm
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On Tue, 27 May 2008 19:46:54 -0400, "Wagner Fan"
<wagnerfan at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:

Quote:
"Kalman Rubinson" <kr4 at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:gm6p345a8hogfov8foftuq5ctbl5taoohj at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Tue, 27 May 2008 14:30:45 -0700 (PDT), John Bryant
britjct at (no spam) googlemail.com> wrote:

On May 27, 10:21 pm, "Wagner Fan" <wagner... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:


No no - get the Solti - its the one Ring to have if you're having only
one -
it better cast than any other complete, has stupendous sound and its
extremely satisfying for a first timer - one can go into other versions
with
other virtues later on. Wagner Fan

Thanks, but I already have it - hence my recommendation. I agree with
you completely, the sound is marvellous and the performance almost
faultless. In my humble opinion, of course.

Then, what are you looking for? There are several new Rings in
multichannel on DVD and SACD but they require other than CD
players in order to experience the multichannel effects.

The Haenchen Ring performances on Et'Cetera is supposedly
based on some new scholarship and the performance is not
bad at all.

Kal

I thought the original poster was clear in that he was looking for CDs.

All the SACDs I mentioned are hybrids and will play on ordinary CD
players.

Kal
Terry...
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 3:02 am
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On Wed, 28 May 2008 05:34:36 +1000, Bog.lyubovi at (no spam) gmail.com wrote
(in article
<14756d85-697a-48dd-868a-9dd982cb45a7 at (no spam) v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com>):

Quote:
Hi friends,

A trouble to me. An opera-fan old gentleman is going to have his
birthday celebration, I was "ordered" to look for a fantastic and more
modern "Der Ring des Nibelungen" CDs for him. Ah, 13+ hours music +
singing, I got no clue, can someone help?

(What kills me is that he knows opera...)

Tonnes of thanks.

Blessings
SF

Get him the Janowski, on RCA. I've taken a long time over it, and have
listened to a lot of sets, and have come to the conclusion that this is the
best set of all, when all factors are taken into account.

--
Cheers!

Terry
wkasimer...
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 4:10 am
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On May 28, 9:55 am, David Sherman <possibl... at (no spam) possible20.org> wrote:
Quote:
For a "modern" Ring cycle:

James Levine and the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra

I don't know what you'll think of the performers on this recording, but I
saw the production at the Met with Levine conducting and it was beyond
spectacular.

I feel that the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra under the baton of Levine is
one of the best ensembles in the world.  Yes, you heard right - in the
world!  Levine's performances are always of the highest caliber.

Released in 2002 on Deutsche Grammophon, it's worth a look.

Yes, and it's ridiculously cheap from Canadian sources at the moment.
But there are "issues" - chiefly a very unsteady Brunnhilde in
Hildegard Behrens, and a weak Siegfried in Reiner Goldberg. And while
the orchestra is fabulous, they are, unfortunately, not very well
recorded; the sonics on this set are, I think, very disappointing and
vastly inferior to Solti, Janowski, Barenboim, and any number of other
sets.

If I were giving a gift RING this year, it would certainly be the
Keilberth on Testament.

Bill
Wagner Fan...
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 4:32 am
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"Terry" <bozo at (no spam) clown.invalid> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C4634EC6003DCD9CB01AD9AF at (no spam) news.tpg.com.au...
Quote:
On Wed, 28 May 2008 05:34:36 +1000, Bog.lyubovi at (no spam) gmail.com wrote
(in article
14756d85-697a-48dd-868a-9dd982cb45a7 at (no spam) v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com>):

Hi friends,

A trouble to me. An opera-fan old gentleman is going to have his
birthday celebration, I was "ordered" to look for a fantastic and more
modern "Der Ring des Nibelungen" CDs for him. Ah, 13+ hours music +
singing, I got no clue, can someone help?

(What kills me is that he knows opera...)

Tonnes of thanks.

Blessings
SF

Get him the Janowski, on RCA. I've taken a long time over it, and have
listened to a lot of sets, and have come to the conclusion that this is
the
best set of all, when all factors are taken into account.

--
Cheers!

Terry


Not a good idea for a first timer since he will have to pay extra for the
libretti - and also put up with an almost but not quite Brunnhilde (not a
good idea) Wagner Fan
 
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