"K Walker" wrote ...
Who's done it?

Who would never do it?

And no, I'm not trolling (as this is usually the first response).

This has been gone over before, so excuse us if we think you're
trolling...

Solo? Of course... Hell, I taught myself how to dive and I was solo at
the
time... No big deal, stap the tanks on and jump in...


I knew we had something in common. ;0)

From: TonyP arpierre@optonline.net


I hear you, but doesn't your statement about "most of the divers" make

other

comments about morality rates on NE wreck dives a bit more relevant?

It might. As I said, it has been a long while since I have heard of
anyone dying. The last I think was Tony Maffetone (?), but one look at
what he was diving with explained why he died.
Still, there is (for the population), not many that dive here. I would
think that the incidents would be greater per cap of divers. We don't
have people coming here saying this is the 'mecca' of diving. If
anything, most certified here head south, dive on the vactations, and
that's it, 4 or 5 dives a year.


Calling Maffetone a scuba death is like listing the Challenger incident as an
airline crash.

You also have to look at how many NE Wreckdivers actually die on the wreck.

Or at least from a scuba technique related incident (ie, not heart attacks at
the surface).

"TonyP" wrote

I hear you, but doesn't your statement about "most of the divers" makeother

comments about morality rates on NE wreck dives a bit more relevant?

It might. As I said, it has been a long while since I have heard of
anyone dying. The last I think was Tony Maffetone (?), but one look at
what he was diving with explained why he died.
Still, there is (for the population), not many that dive here. I would
think that the incidents would be greater per cap of divers. We don't
have people coming here saying this is the 'mecca' of diving. If
anything, most certified here head south, dive on the vactations, and
that's it, 4 or 5 dives a year.

That's all true, but the progress of the thread went from solo diving, to
what most NE wreck divers do, to the mortality rate of those same divers.
Divers that travel to warm waters for a few dives a year, aren't the solo
divers referred to.

Frankly, I'm a bit surprised that there's all that much
solo wreck diving in the NE. Deep wreck diving is more dangerous than no
deco diving in warm clear water. The number of things that can go wrong are
numerically greater and potentially more complex to resolve in deep, cold,
dark/low visibility water with equipment designed to deal with deco
requirements than for the average diver. Diving solo increases the risk by
eliminating the cross support system such as the one used for gas switches
by those at the core of the DIR system and by reducing the options in the
event of a problem. It's not the kind of diving I would chose to do solo.
Then again, it's not my choice to make.

Who's done it?

Who would never do it?

And no, I'm not trolling (as this is usually the first response).

The rig he was diving with like, 7 tanks, along with knobs and switches
seemed like 'overkill' for the wreck he was diving, the USS San Diego.
Interior is tough, but he died outside the wreck. I am not sure what of
though. If someone can fill me in.

This wreck is one of the most dived
in LI/NY/NJ. AOW do their 'wreck-deep' dive there, if you want to call
110' deep (reach hull at 60').
I know there have been deaths, but few and far between. But then, not
many dive here.

Maffatone was an experimenter, just as others of us are cavers,
photographers, wreckers, hunters, whatever. He designed a gas switching
system that was very complex. It apparently failed.

This wreck is one of the most dived
in LI/NY/NJ. AOW do their 'wreck-deep' dive there, if you want to call
110' deep (reach hull at 60').
I know there have been deaths, but few and far between. But then, not
many dive here.

In SoFla, we'd call that a shallow wreck. But depth is only one of the
factors to consider when planning any wreck dive.

Calling Maffetone a scuba death is like listing the Challenger incident as an
airline crash.

Hunting is one case. Unless your buddy is the bag boy

In article <elpxc.28645$Gx4.28166@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
scrubadub@att.net says...

Maffatone was an experimenter, just as others of us are cavers,
photographers, wreckers, hunters, whatever. He designed a gas switching
system that was very complex. It apparently failed.

He had 7 composite tanks mounted horizontally on his back. He emptied
the bottom one quickly, and his trim and buoyancy got all screwed up. He
was wearing an AGA, and I've heard speculation by people close to the
incident that his primary froze. He surface without his gear, and had
cut the legs of his drysuit.

This wreck is one of the most dived
in LI/NY/NJ. AOW do their 'wreck-deep' dive there, if you want to call
110' deep (reach hull at 60').
I know there have been deaths, but few and far between. But then, not
many dive here.
In SoFla, we'd call that a shallow wreck. But depth is only one of the
factors to consider when planning any wreck dive.

I have done some really intense penetrations on that wreck. There are
some insanely dangerous places in it. It is a really big wreck, and it
is eas y for an iexperienced wreck diver to become disoriented. The
depth is nothing, except that it is deep enough to get hurt if you screw
up.

On 08 Jun 2004 12:17:18 GMT, buzcutt454@aol.comByteMe (Popeye NCAT3) wrote:

Calling Maffetone a scuba death is like listing the Challenger incident as an
airline crash.

http://www.tonymaffatone.com/Tony%20photo%20gallery/index.htm

And... what's this DIR thing?

Hunting is one case. Unless your buddy is the bag boy

When the bullshark appears, demanding his share of the prey, it's really,
really nice to have a buddy to watch your back during the ascent and while
signaling the boat for a pickup.

When the bullshark appears, demanding his share of the prey, it's
really,
really nice to have a buddy to watch your back during the ascent and
while
signaling the boat for a pickup.

As long as they don't spear you when you are trying to get back on the
boat
right? (-;

I knew we had something in common. ;0)