Mike Strong wrote:
I saw an interview and story on Al Oliver on Fox Sports Pittsburgh
recently. What do you guys think about having Al in the Hall of Fame?
Much of the interview was about that very question. Al of course,
believes he should be in, and a case can certainly be made for his
induction.

Al is certainly not the strongest candidate in the world, but his 303
lifetime batting average, and 2743 hits are nothing to laugh at. Al
also won a batting title, and finished second in the battle title race
two other times. Take a look at Al's statistics. Has the baseball hall
of fame overlooked this man? What do you guys think?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/oliveal01.shtml

Mike Strong wrote:
I saw an interview and story on Al Oliver on Fox Sports Pittsburgh
recently. What do you guys think about having Al in the Hall of Fame?
Much of the interview was about that very question. Al of course,
believes he should be in, and a case can certainly be made for his
induction.

Al is certainly not the strongest candidate in the world, but his 303
lifetime batting average, and 2743 hits are nothing to laugh at. Al
also won a batting title, and finished second in the battle title race
two other times. Take a look at Al's statistics. Has the baseball hall
of fame overlooked this man? What do you guys think?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/oliveal01.shtml

This is a perfect example of why we should stop the over-reliance on
statistics for hall consideration. Virtually nobody remembers this guy
unless somebody else brings him up in conversation, and even then only
people over 35 say "Oh, yeah, I remember him now... vaguely.".

I saw an interview and story on Al Oliver on Fox Sports Pittsburgh
recently. What do you guys think about having Al in the Hall of Fame?
Much of the interview was about that very question. Al of course,
believes he should be in, and a case can certainly be made for his
induction.

Al is certainly not the strongest candidate in the world, but his 303
lifetime batting average, and 2743 hits are nothing to laugh at. Al
also won a batting title, and finished second in the battle title race
two other times. Take a look at Al's statistics. Has the baseball hall
of fame overlooked this man? What do you guys think?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/oliveal01.shtml

On 22 Apr 2006 20:17:59 -0700, "Mike Strong" <MrStrong65@hotmail.com
wrote:

I saw an interview and story on Al Oliver on Fox Sports Pittsburgh
recently. What do you guys think about having Al in the Hall of Fame?
Much of the interview was about that very question. Al of course,
believes he should be in, and a case can certainly be made for his
induction.

Al is certainly not the strongest candidate in the world, but his 303
lifetime batting average, and 2743 hits are nothing to laugh at. Al
also won a batting title, and finished second in the battle title race
two other times. Take a look at Al's statistics. Has the baseball hall
of fame overlooked this man? What do you guys think?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/oliveal01.shtml

The Black/Grey Ink and HOF stuff says no, for the most part...ignoring
that, Rusty Staub (another former Expo, hey, hey) is close to Oliver.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/staubru01.shtml

Tom

Tom MacIntyre wrote:
On 22 Apr 2006 20:17:59 -0700, "Mike Strong" <MrStrong65@hotmail.com
wrote:

I saw an interview and story on Al Oliver on Fox Sports Pittsburgh
recently. What do you guys think about having Al in the Hall of Fame?
Much of the interview was about that very question. Al of course,
believes he should be in, and a case can certainly be made for his
induction.

Al is certainly not the strongest candidate in the world, but his 303
lifetime batting average, and 2743 hits are nothing to laugh at. Al
also won a batting title, and finished second in the battle title race
two other times. Take a look at Al's statistics. Has the baseball hall
of fame overlooked this man? What do you guys think?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/oliveal01.shtml

The Black/Grey Ink and HOF stuff says no, for the most part...ignoring
that, Rusty Staub (another former Expo, hey, hey) is close to Oliver.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/staubru01.shtml

Tom


I'm not even saying for sure that Oliver should be in. I'm saying a
case "CAN" be made for his induction. Just look at Al's lifetime
average! He his 303 lifetime, the same as the great Pete Rose, and only
two points under George Brett.

Al of course wasn't nearly the player either of them were, but to hit
303 lifetime after 18 seasons is an impressive feat. Al also hit over
300 a total of 11 times!

This is a perfect example of why we should stop the over-reliance on
statistics for hall consideration. Virtually nobody remembers this guy
unless somebody else brings him up in conversation, and even then only
people over 35 say "Oh, yeah, I remember him now... vaguely.".

TheDave© wrote:
This is a perfect example of why we should stop the over-reliance
on statistics for hall consideration. Virtually nobody remembers
this guy unless somebody else brings him up in conversation, and
even then only people over 35 say "Oh, yeah, I remember him now...
vaguely.".

As a Pirate fan, of course I remember him, but he wasn't Clemente
or Stargell.
Hmm Did Tony Perez get in despite or because of Bench and Morgan
and some other guy who probably would have gotten in if he hadn't
gambled so much*

*Hint: It's not the 70's Red's player whose son will probably be in
the hall....

using the stats at www.baseball-reference.com, it looks like Perez
and Oliver were reasonably similar...Oliver hit for a better average,
Perez has a better slugging percentage and walked more...and their
career OPS+ numbers are essentially identical (though Perez has a
slight edge in games played)

Mark Vaughan <m.a.vaughan@invalid.address.net> wrote:

nobody alive remembers seeing Ed Delahanty or Ty Cobb play.

I doubt very much that there is no one alive who remembers Cobb
playing. Cobb last played in 1928. One wouldn't even have to be
90 years old to be old enought to have seen Cobb play and have
been old enough to remember it.

There are still a few people alive who can remember the 1906 San
Francisco earthquake.

Al is certainly not the strongest candidate in the world, but his 303
lifetime batting average, and 2743 hits are nothing to laugh at. Al
also won a batting title, and finished second in the battle title race
two other times. Take a look at Al's statistics. Has the baseball hall
of fame overlooked this man? What do you guys think?

Hank Gillette <hankgillette@yahoo.com> trolled:
Mark Vaughan <m.a.vaughan@invalid.address.net> wrote:

nobody alive remembers seeing Ed Delahanty or Ty Cobb play.

I doubt very much that there is no one alive who remembers Cobb
playing. Cobb last played in 1928. One wouldn't even have to be
90 years old to be old enought to have seen Cobb play and have
been old enough to remember it.

There are still a few people alive who can remember the 1906 San
Francisco earthquake.

Sure. There are still people around who fought in the Civil War.

cordially, as always,

rm

Let's look at this in a different way. Can someone name any other
player who played for 18 years, and hit 303 lifetime who is NOT in
the hall of fame??

"Mike Strong" <MrStrong65@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1145920447.417677.95140@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Let's look at this in a different way. Can someone name any other
player who played for 18 years, and hit 303 lifetime who is NOT in
the hall of fame??

how about 17 seasons at .316? (w/ 2532 hits)
http://www.baseball-reference.com/v/vanhage01.shtml

20 seasons at .312?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/whitede01.shtml

18 seasons at .306? (w/ 2502 hits)
http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ryanji01.shtml


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Mark Vaughan