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| Andrew |
 Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:33 pm |
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| Andrew |
| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:47 pm |
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And one more internet scam.
http://members.shaw.ca/gotzborg/
It is interesting, that the perpetrator (fraudster) used (illegally)
the official photo of HM Albert II King of the Belgians (open "Who is
Who", and click on the first line). The head of the King of the
Belgians was changed (on this photo) to head of the fraudster, who is (
certainly) a perpetrator of this fraud. For attention of the Criminal
Police. |
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| Guest |
| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 6:04 pm |
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I'd hardly consider this to be a scam- it looks more like a game
(although their FAQ explains that they don't want to call it that) than
anything else. Looking at the forum shows that none of them take it
nearly seriously enough to be fraudulent in any way. |
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| Guest |
| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 6:15 pm |
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This chap has inhabited the chivalric underworld for some time and has
managed to surround himself with a deluded and sychopantic Praetorian
Guard drawn almost exclusively from the ranks of Australia's fairest
city (Melbourne).
His pseudo-history of the Dambski family is rather amusing.
Rafal Heydel-Mankoo
The Polish Aristocracy & Heydel-Mankoo's Almanach de Polska:
http://www.geocities.com/polishnobles |
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| Guest |
| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 6:40 pm |
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Quote: His pseudo-history of the Dambski family is rather amusing.
I love the way he seems to have based his claim on descent
through his "step-adoptive-mandating mother". |
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| George Lucki |
| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:03 am |
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"Andrew" <kirklistoun@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1132695203.066026.66680@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Sheesh. Poor deluded fellow. I see he's promoted himself - he was merely a
Grand Duke at one point. What is interesting is that the first incarnation
of the 'LBKS" an association of Lithuanian nobles actually accepted him as a
member.
Of course for centuries Lithuania was in a union with Poland (the
Commonwealth of Both Nations) and until 1795 when Poland-Lithuania were
partitioned the monarchy was elective, but why should that stop him...
For some other deluded folks - there is group founded by the Regent of
Poland (the late Regent Unii Polskich Ugrupowan Monarchistycznych Adam
Ryszard 'Grand Duke' Myslinski) - see www.monarchia.pl - only in Polish but
the pictures at http://www.monarchia.pl/galeria.htm will give a flavour. But
why stop at one - there is also a second 'Regent Grand Duke' Leszek
Wierzchowski who ran for President of Poland in 1995 and collected a small
fistful of votes. But lets not forget the late Alex Brimeyer who among his
many many many titles was also the self-styled King of Galicia and Grand
Duke of Lwow, Luck and Bialystok.
In comparison the various 'micronations' cretaed on the internet are very
very silly fantasy taken seriously only by 'bears of very little brain'.
Kind regards, George Lucki |
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| Andrew |
| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:35 am |
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Just to remind. The only legal clamant to Lithuanian throne is one of
the minor branches of the Royal House of Wuerttemberg (Ducal House von
Urach) since the son of Duke Wilhelm Karl von Urach, Count of
Württemberg (1864-1928) was elected King Mindove II of Lithuania by
Lithuanian Parliament (Taryba) in July 1918 and officially recognized
by Germany in November 1918. He was de-jure a King of Lithuania during
about 6 month. No any other legal clamants to throne of Lithuania. The
Polish-Lithuanian Commonvealth was legally abolished, and at the time
of the Congriess of Vienna 1814-15 it was not already such a political
institute. The "Regency of Polish-Lithuanian Commonvealth" therefore is
the same as the Lunar Embassy. |
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| Jan Böhme |
| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:38 pm |
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tressure@gmail.com wrote:
Quote: His pseudo-history of the Dambski family is rather amusing.
I love the way he seems to have based his claim on descent
through his "step-adoptive-mandating mother".
What on earth would "mandating" mean in such a context?
(Leaving aside the tricky philosphical question what even a
step-adoptive mother really would be. A stepmother who adopts a
stepchild is a stepmother only, before the adoption, and an adoptive
mother only, after it, right?)
Jan Böhme |
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| Andrew |
| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:45 pm |
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George Lucki" <georgelu...@hotmail.com> wrote
Quote: The Chief Executive of the Republic was the President. The post-communist order has
created a Third Republic. If there were to ever be a future King the only
historically valid method for reestablishing the monarchy would need to be
through election.
I would agree with this conclusion, of course. But, really, for
legitimists the order of election is limited. Since the legal headship
in the Imperial House of Russia is extinct since 1919 ( morganatic
branches and descendents from illegal marriages is out of legal
succession any way, no any compromise), the Candidate number One is
Imperial & Royal House of Habsburg ( on the base their legal titular
rights to part of Poland recognised by Congress of Vienna 1814-15). The
second one is the Royal House of Saxony.
George Lucki" <georgelu...@hotmail.com> wrote
Quote: The Taryba (Diet) that elected Mindove II was part of a German
protectorate established in the spring of 1918 after the fall of Tsarist
Russia. On November 2, 1918 the same Taryba had reversed itself and
'deposed' the king they elected and declared a republic. There were similar
moves afoot to create German protected monarchies in the Baltic states and
Finland, but these did not bear fruit. Wihelm Karl (Mindove) renounced the
throne and pretensions to it after the end of the war. Really this was a
fiction attempted to be inserted into the vacuum of crumbling empires in the
1917-1918 period. There are no legitimate claimants to the Lithuanian
throne.
But, I would disagree with conclusion about Lithuanian royalty. It was
officially recognised, that the Royal House of Lithuania is a Ducal
House von Urach (the minor branches of the Royal House of Württemberg
(Ducal House von Urach) since the son of Duke Wilhelm Karl von Urach,
Count of Württemberg (1864-1928) was elected King Mindove II of
Lithuania by Lithuanian Parliament (Taryba) in July 1918 and officially
recognized by Germany in November 1918.) It is does not matter if
taryba was an marionette diet or independent one. the fact of election
was officially recognised by German Empire, therefore it is a legal
position. The proclamation of republic by the same Taryba does not
affect the legitimacy of Lithuanian royalty, since the instrument of
recognition was already issued and was into force. The same with
Finland. No abdication of von Urach or von Hesse was made by their own
good will, but because political (physical and psychical) violence was
applied to them. Since their abdications was made at the time when both
of them was out of full possibility to realise their sovereign
prerogatives Jus Imperii and Jus Gladii pertaining their monarchies,
such a Statement of Abdication is not a legal instrument and therefore
is invalid ( no more then an nonsensical sheet of paper without any
legal force, may be is good for WC, if soft).
It is the same, as with buffoonish procedure which invented by clowns
and nihilists from Austrian republican government to enforce HIRH Otto
von Hapsburg to "renounce" his right to Throne of Austria at 1961.
Such a renunciation which was made by HIRH Otto costs no more than the
sheet of paper, on which such nonsense is written. |
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| Guest |
| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:16 pm |
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I agree with regards to the Czartoryski candidate (Adam, 14th Furst
Czartoryski) however I'd rather see the well known author Adam Zamoyski
as his family's candidate.
RHM |
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| Guy Stair Sainty |
| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:26 pm |
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In article <1133151053.137743.110130@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
heydel@hotmail.com says...
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After all, I would hope that those advocating a
modern election would support the abandonment of the tradition of
electing the monarch viritim (in other words restricting the vote to
those members of the szlachta who could attend in person) in favour of
extending the franchise to all Polish citizens of voting age.
The elective monarchy was Poland's greatest evil (with the liberum veto
following close behind)
If the old monarchy was such an evil, what would be the advantage of a
an elective monarchy on a universal franchise? Would one not then find
would-be monarchs campaigning on rival platforms, and then ending up
with nothing any better than a president-for-life, with which much'
of the 3rd world has been cursed for a generation or more.
If monarchy has a place, then it is surely only when it is above and
immune from rival political idelogoies or factions. This would be
impossible with an elective monarchy.
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Guy Stair Sainty
www.chivalricorders.org/index3.htm |
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| Guest |
| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:03 pm |
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GSS: "If the old monarchy was such an evil, what would be the advantage
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an elective monarchy on a universal franchise? Would one not then find
would-be monarchs campaigning on rival platforms, and then ending up
with nothing any better than a president-for-life, with which much'
of the 3rd world has been cursed for a generation or more.
RHM: As I wrote in my original post: "After the election of a new
sovereign I would hope for the institution of a hereditary system." I
believe it is essential that the process by which a monarch is selected
should adhere at least in part to the historic Polish tradition of
election (in its most general form and without its prior restrictions)
-- albeit a tradition which should be modified to better reflect modern
realities. Certainly the monarchy should be hereditary but this does
not preclude the institution of elections to determine the first
monarch. In our hypothetical scenario one would expect a national
referendum (with a universal franchise) on the monarchy vs republic
question and it would therefore seem rather peculiar if a monarch were
then appointed without any public input. I would not necessarily
propose this model for other countries but, again, we are speaking of
the Polish throne -- one without the dynastic continuity found in other
lands and without an exiled head of a royal house waiting in the wings.
Rafal Heydel-Mankoo
The Polish Aristocracy & Heydel-Mankoo's Almanach de Polska:
http://www.geocities.com/polishnobles |
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