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 Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:03 am |
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Tramadol is an Opiate however, years ago I would use it to withdraw from
hydrocodone making the event much less intense. Tramadol is a glaring
example as to why doctors not legislators need to regulate medicine. In the
late fifties (and before) the primary solution for clinical depression was
Opioids like Morphine. After the discovery of tricyclic antidepressants,
opioids fell out of favor due to their addictive potential and side effects.
Opioids are ideal candidates for treatment of depressive disorders however
very little research is done in this area due to the social stigma imposed
by the government on addiction and narcotics. The sooner the public (and
legislators) is educated on the nature of addiction as a disease related to
the disfunctional properties of specific chemicals within the brain and not
an activity synonymous with the criminal mind (although the criminal mind
may be the result of addiction and chemical deficiencies within the brain),
the sooner medicine will begin to advance in directions beneficial to the
public.
Both Tramadol and Buprenorphine are noted to be effective in the treatment
of mood disorders. In fact, they are more effective (in my opinion) than
most of the new designer drugs like Strattera and Celebrex, which cost alot
due to patents but do very little whereas, Tramadol and other opioids cost
very little and do alot for depression. Some primary obstacles to their
administration for mood disorders stem largely from the orientation of
governmental agency bias regarding addictive substances. Clearly there is an
underlying hysteria stemming from the fear of the unknown related to the
shotgun approach at drug regulation in many countries. This to a large
degree stems from China's historical battle with opium (fueled largely by
the agenda of Great Britian). The most important result of China's dilemma
is the fact that despite all odds, the country was not overrun by addiction
in fact in the most innundated areas of the country (Like Hong Kong) the
maximum percentage of addicts did not reach levels beyond twenty-five
percent of the population. This is a powerful indicator of how many people
are affected by chemical imbalances within the brain verses the obvious fear
of a drug pandemic. At the time, were medicinal technologies equivalent to
todays modern advances, they would have been far more likely to recognize
the associated mental deficencies associated with addiction. Instead, they
erroneously labeled addiction and criminal activity a result of drug abuse
instead of chemical deficencies within the brain as a cause for drug
dependency, addictive behavior and related criminal activities.
Current medicinal technology tries to actively suppress existing chemicals
in the brain causing the brain to rebound creating an abundance of these
chemicals without the substitution of foreign molecules. This is an
excellent way to attck imbalances without introducing foreign components
directly into the equation. Imagine how effective these modern approaches
would be using drugs as powerful as those identified in previous centuries.
Human beings instinctively try to correct imbalances within their system
(just like a dog eating grass to clear his stomach), having a great deal of
common sense we tend to gravitate towards these very powerful molecules
because they work. In some cases they are several orders of magnitude more
powerful than some of the new designer drugs which barely rate as placebo's.
Taking the raw power of these regulated substances and actively
experimenting and investigating will reveal analogs, adjunct, and
synergistic substances several times stronger than the anemic substances
currently under examination. Unfortunately, these weak substances require no
special handling or regulation and are therefore simple to obtain, test and
use for experimentation and (if patented) are sold for big bucks. Whereas,
the known narcotic compounds are regulated, difficult to obtain, have been
stigmatized by the legislature, and can cause several different forms of
legal grief up to and including incarceration of well intentioned doctors
who may just be prescribing more than the DEA feels comfortable with.
Naturally, it is easy to see why studies of these compounds are avoided not
to mention a success in this area of medicine does not guarantee a patent or
legal use. I.e. a doctor may find a wonder cure like Tramadol for
depression, prove it through testing, and still find the judicial system
opposed to administering it to the public. A rather big unknown for a
company investing millions in testing and research. Until this atmosphere of
hysteria changes, advances in medicine creep along at a snails pace and the
war on drugs incarcerates more nonviolent offenders than the jails can hold.
And the wheel rolls on!
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Tramadol is used to treat moderate and severe pain.[citation needed] It has
been suggested that tramadol could be effective for alleviating symptoms of
depression and anxiety because of its action on GABAergic, noradrenergic and
specifically serotonergic systems. However, health professionals have not
yet endorsed its use on a large scale for disorders such as this.[4][5]
[edit] Off-label and investigational uses
a.. diabetic neuropathy[6][7]
b.. postherpetic neuralgia[8][9]
c.. fibromyalgia[10]
d.. restless legs syndrome[11]
e.. opiate withdrawal management[12][13]
f.. migraine headache[14]
g.. obsessive-compulsive disorder[15]
h.. premature ejaculation[16]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramadol
Buprenorphine quote
A clinical trial conducted at Harvard Medical School in the mid-1990s
demonstrated that a majority of unipolar non-psychotic patients with major
depression refractory to conventional thymoleptic antidepressants could be
successfully treated with buprenorphine.[7] See opioids for other
(predominantly favorable) experiments with buprenorphine and other opioids
for psychological relief. However, psychological distress is currently not
an approved indication for the use of any opioid, and legally it falls in a
"grey zone" that is technically legal but a doctor could still face charges
regardless (but not for off-label scripting in itself, simply being singled
out by the DEA, who prosecute doctors often for using controlled substances
for approved uses ("too much"). [1][2] The doctor still needs the proper DEA
licensing under the Drug Addiction Treatment Act of 2000 to prescribe
Subutex or Suboxone for opioid addiction/dependence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buprenorphine
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"Bob" <Bob@stoned_immaculate.com> wrote in message
news:fmjvr0$m1v$1@aioe.org...
Quote: Does it prolong opiate withdrawl or help with it?
--
-Bob
Beware lest you lose the substance by grasping at the shadow.
- Aesop
Losing an illusion makes you wiser than finding a truth.
- Ludwig Börne |
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| The ONE |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:45 pm |
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Has anyone used the products sold on testclear and similar websites? Mainly
the Detox ones, and if so do they work? I dont wanna pay out the ass and not
only get ripped off but violate my parole as well.
Also If I drink a insane amount of water before any urine test, is this a
surefire way to beat the test?
And for someone who smokes say 1 blunt every 3 or 4 days, how long will it
be in your system for?
Thanks, all help is greatly appreciated. |
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