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Joe Kesselman
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:29 am
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For what it's worth: This isn't a new discovery. There was a time when
some of us actually used the EMI from computers as a debugging tool.
With practice, we could recognize the sound of different parts of our
program and get a rough idea of what it was doing.

At the time we were mostly using AM radios as our pickups... so an AM
loopstick antenna might work well for your experiment.
 
Richard Crowley
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:37 am
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"Joe Kesselman" wrote ...
Quote:
For what it's worth: This isn't a new discovery. There
was a time when some of us actually used the EMI from
computers as a debugging tool. With practice, we could
recognize the sound of different parts of our program and
get a rough idea of what it was doing.

At the time we were mostly using AM radios as our pickups...
so an AM loopstick antenna might work well for your experiment.

They used to do "stupid computer tricks" back in the
1960s and 1970s with specially-written code that would
play specific notes on an AM radio placed next to the
big racks full of discreete component logic circuits.
I used to do this with an IBM 1620 that I maintained.

And even more bizzare, the really high-speed printers
(like the IBM "train" printer) hit the hammers so fast
that they would also produce quite loud musical notes
and people wrote code to play songs on them. The
managers that ran the computer rooms were generally
not amused.
 
stealthaxe
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:03 pm
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jh <no@thanks.com> wrote in news:no-080071.01572204112005@localhost:

Quote:
So my question is this: is it possible to build a device, or modify a
microphone, so that it picks up ONLY the electromagnetic interference,
but no actual sound?

if you remove the magnet from the microphone, it will do just that.

or go to radio shack and buy one of those telephone pick ups. you could
probably also use an audio transformer (high impedence side) with the other
side open.

--
stealthaxe
 
jh
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:26 pm
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In article <TvOdnQJ2ZMae__beRVn-jw@comcast.com>,
Joe Kesselman <keshlam-nospam@comcast.net> wrote:

Quote:
For what it's worth: This isn't a new discovery. There was a time when
some of us actually used the EMI from computers as a debugging tool.
With practice, we could recognize the sound of different parts of our
program and get a rough idea of what it was doing.

At the time we were mostly using AM radios as our pickups... so an AM
loopstick antenna might work well for your experiment.

Actually, that's just what I'm hoping to do: build a sort of EMI-only
"microphone" to use as a computer stethoscope. I figure that a computer
technician, with this tool and some practice, could hear and immediately
recognize the EMI signature of a dying power supply or other bad
component, the same way an expert pilot can instantly diagnose engine
troubles just from their noises.

-- Josh
 
Joe Kesselman
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:08 pm
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Richard Crowley wrote:
Quote:
And even more bizzare, the really high-speed printers
(like the IBM "train" printer) hit the hammers so fast
that they would also produce quite loud musical notes
and people wrote code to play songs on them. The managers that ran the
computer rooms were generally
not amused.

Some of those printers were software-timed, which made this trick a bit
easier.

BTW, if you're interested in this sort of silliness, you really owe to
to yourself to dig into the early years of electronic music and musique
conrete. There some stuff that's unlistenable ("lab notes" from failed
experiments) but there's also some that's Good Stuff, and it'll teach
you a lot about how synthesis evolved to where it is now.
 
Joe Kesselman
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:11 pm
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Quote:
Actually, that's just what I'm hoping to do: build a sort of EMI-only
"microphone" to use as a computer stethoscope. I figure that a computer
technician, with this tool and some practice, could hear and immediately
recognize the EMI signature of a dying power supply or other bad
component

Unfortuantely, most of that EMI is switching noise, which means it's
mostly a matter of what the program loops and I/O ports are doing... and
that may differ because machines' speeds are different. (I take it
you've never tried to debug asynchronous code...)

Worth trying, but I think it's going to be a matter of learning what
*your* machine sounds like in proper operation, then noticing when it
changes, then allowing for the fact that any change in either software
or input data may produce changes in the sound.
 
jh
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:02 am
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In article <44ednUNnrpR0avbeRVn-uQ@comcast.com>,
Joe Kesselman <keshlam-nospam@comcast.net> wrote:

Quote:
BTW, if you're interested in this sort of silliness, you really owe to
to yourself to dig into the early years of electronic music and musique
conrete. There some stuff that's unlistenable ("lab notes" from failed
experiments) but there's also some that's Good Stuff, and it'll teach
you a lot about how synthesis evolved to where it is now.

Yeah, I took a class once on the development of electronic music. I've
also found online recordings of printer-generated music and that sort of
thing. I've always enjoyed that sort of thing, and reading about it
often makes me wish I was born 20 years earlier so I could have been
around to appreciate the early days of computers :)

The closest I've ever come to this sort of wonderful nonsense myself is
with the relatively modern TI-83 graphing calculator; users have managed
to hack it to run arbitrary Z80 machine code, instead of the SLOW
basic-like language that's built-in, and several games have been written
for it with sound effects that can be heard by holding the calculator
near an AM radio.

-- Josh
 
Steve knight
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:58 pm
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got the wife a axiom self powered subwoofer.
http://www.axiomaudio.com/ep125_main.html the first one did not work
and they sent another one right away. the second one did not work. but
we found out they had problems with wires comining off and that was
the problem on both of them.
but now for the hum it is a real low frequency around 60htz when I
use a single rca cable from the sub out. this is the same with two
recivers. this happens as soon as the reciver is plugged in without
power. if I use a high power output I only get it when the revicer is
powered on.
axiom thought i needed to use a diffferent outlet for the subwoofer.
I only have a 15' cord on hand and all the outlets I had the same
problem. but most of then are connected since this is a manufactured
house. my stereo store said use a cheater block. but the cord is 3
prong so I doubt it will work any better and I could only find two
prong ones. the sub works fine with a walkman or such.
 
Scott Dorsey
Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:44 am
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In article <%763g.1295$yI1.742@trnddc04>, MS <ms@nospam.com> wrote:
Quote:
Has anyone here tried these small powered monitors? How do they sound?

How do they compare with others of similar size and price, such as the
M-Audio DX4 monitors? (One important spec is better on the Samsons-25 watts
per channel, vs. 18 watts per channel on the M-Audio. But of course, power
isn't everything.)

I heard them briefly, and the midrange just wasn't very natural. But then,
I didn't find vocals on the DX4 to sound very good either. I think I would
pick the NHT Super Ones over any of them.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
 
MS
Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 12:03 pm
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"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
In article <%763g.1295$yI1.742@trnddc04>, MS <ms@nospam.com> wrote:
Has anyone here tried these small powered monitors? How do they sound?

How do they compare with others of similar size and price, such as the
M-Audio DX4 monitors? (One important spec is better on the Samsons-25
watts
per channel, vs. 18 watts per channel on the M-Audio. But of course,
power
isn't everything.)

I heard them briefly, and the midrange just wasn't very natural. But
then,
I didn't find vocals on the DX4 to sound very good either. I think I
would
pick the NHT Super Ones over any of them.
--scott

Those NHT Super Ones aren't powered speakers, are they?

What about the midrange on the Samsons sounded unnatural to you?
 
Scott Dorsey
Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 12:10 pm
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In article <Zp83g.1137$0z.285@trnddc01>, MS <ms@nospam.com> wrote:
Quote:

Those NHT Super Ones aren't powered speakers, are they?

No, so you need to throw an amp on them.

Quote:
What about the midrange on the Samsons sounded unnatural to you?

Vocals just sounded very constricted. Listen to an unprocessed female
vocal, close your eyes, and see if you can imagine a real person singing
in the room in front of you.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
 
MS
Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:31 pm
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"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
In article <Zp83g.1137$0z.285@trnddc01>, MS <ms@nospam.com> wrote:

Those NHT Super Ones aren't powered speakers, are they?

No, so you need to throw an amp on them.

Not really comparable though, as I was looking at small powered speaker
sets, like the two I mentioned. It appears to be in quite a different price
range as well.

Good to know about some quality bookshelf speakers, although not really what
this thread is about.
 
Scott Dorsey
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:37 am
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In article <SCh3g.19205$HC3.18984@trnddc07>, MS <ms@nospam.com> wrote:
Quote:
"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
news:e2j4b0$da7$1@panix2.panix.com...
In article <Zp83g.1137$0z.285@trnddc01>, MS <ms@nospam.com> wrote:

Those NHT Super Ones aren't powered speakers, are they?

No, so you need to throw an amp on them.

Not really comparable though, as I was looking at small powered speaker
sets, like the two I mentioned. It appears to be in quite a different price
range as well.

They turn up used. And you can actually monitor on them and have some clue
that what you are doing is right.

Quote:
Good to know about some quality bookshelf speakers, although not really what
this thread is about.

Try them. Compare them with some of the cheapie speakers sold as "monitors."
Play with the console EQ... how much of an EQ change do you have to make
before you can hear something happening? You'll find on some of the cheap
"monitors" you can make some pretty radical changes without being able to
hear the difference.

It seems like everyone and his brother is throwing some cheap Asian drivers
into a box and selling them as "home studio monitors" today.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
 
Ronald Wiebe
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:26 am
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"MS" <ms@nospam.com> wrote in message news:c0M4g.1803$c%5.1197@trnddc02...
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Who here has heard these? What do you think of the quality of its musical
reproduction?

Are there other similar products, from different brands? Small stereo PAs
that provide decent musical reproduction, where the sections attach
together
for easier portability? If so, how do they compare with the Fenders?


Wrong group - try posting this to rec.audio.pro.live-sound.

However, I have used one of these once, and think it was pretty much the
trashiest piece of gear I've used. My advice is stay far, far away.

If you have to get something that cheap, try something like the combo's
Behringer offers.

http://www.eastcoastaudiosystems.com/store.php?menu=0101&prodid=epp10

-Ron



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oldsoundguy
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:55 am
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On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:55:52 GMT, "MS" <ms@nospam.com> wrote:

Quote:
Who here has heard these? What do you think of the quality of its musical
reproduction?

Are there other similar products, from different brands? Small stereo PAs
that provide decent musical reproduction, where the sections attach together
for easier portability? If so, how do they compare with the Fenders?

Can you say "JUNK"? OK if you are a no talent working a piano bar

where nobody gives a crap about what you are doing and you are just
background noise. Same can be said for the Shure VocalThrashers and
the old Kustom tuck and roll PA setups. Go to a real music store (not
a pawn shop) and see what they have to offer if you need a tiny PA.
 
 
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