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| tadpole1978 |
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I'm after a new plinker and don'y know what to buy. Please give e
recommendations of either a Ruger Mark II or III or Browning Buckmark.
Please help as I'm torn.
Thanks
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| kp |
| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:52 pm |
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Each have their dedicated followers.
The Rugers can be difficult to reassemble after cleaning but I think
are slightly more accurate.
The Buckmarks are easier to disassemble/reassemble, but the sight rail
gets in the way for casual cleaning.
Either will last you forever (but I did just have to replace the
recoil buffer in my Buckmark--small part that costs more to ship than
the part itself is worth).
On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:58:06 +0000 (UTC), "tadpole1978"
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| GLC1173 |
| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:52 pm |
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Tadpole1978 wrote:
#I'm after a new plinker and don'y know >what to buy. Please give e
#recommendations of either a Ruger Mark >II or III or Browning Buckmark.
Ruger MkII - emphatically. There's just no real aftermarket in accessories
for the Buckmark - but all kinds of really good accessories abound for MkIIs.
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| Rick Courtright |
| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:53 pm |
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tadpole1978 wrote:
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# I'm after a new plinker and don'y know what to buy. Please give e
# recommendations of either a Ruger Mark II or III or Browning Buckmark.
Hi,
If you check the archives, this subject's come up many times, and the
Ruger usually wins the reliability polls. You'll see complaints it's
hard to field strip. Not if you RTFM. As for Mk II or Mk III, I'd prefer
the "lack" of additional safety "features" of the Mk III, but the jury's
out on that issue. The new style mag release is nice, though, since it's
like most all your other autos.
Regardless, you'll be getting a good pistol with any of the three, so if
one feels better in your hand, that may tip the scales for you.
Rick
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| professorpaul |
| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:53 pm |
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Let the flames begin...
I have one of each, though the Mk. II has been modified with a Swift
red dot scope and Volquartson trigger for competition.
I was quite suprised how well "out of the box" the Buck Mark shot. I
don't care for the takedown of the BUck Mark -- needs an Allen wrench,
and must be careful putting it back together not to strip out the
screws. I use blue loctite. Frankly, I don't have to clean it that
throughly. It doesn't seem to get as much powder residue in it as the
Ruger. The Buck Mark is a much better "pointer" for me, with the stock
grips.
I have the Ruger Mk. II, which has more aftermarket goodies. I have no
experience with the Mk. III, though understand that the loaded chamber
indicator gave some problems at one point -- it sensed the rim of a
rimfire round, which isn't the smartest thing in the world. The weird
takedown/assembly of the Mk. II is vastly over rated. A LITTLE practice
and understanding of how it works makes that problem go away.
You are Ok with either, in my opinion. I shoot both in the local
bullseye league with about equal results. Both can shoot better than I
can hold them! I have just the open sights on the Buck Mark. I wear
tri-focals into the bargain.
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| J |
| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:53 pm |
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I own a Ruger Mark II and my buddy owns a Buckmark. I've probably put
about 3000 rounds through my Ruger. I love to shoot it and so does my 8
year old. For pure cheap plinkining it can't be beat. I will say that
it can be a pain to clean but once you get the hang of it the process
smooths out.
I've shot the Buckmark also. Nice gun, more accurate than my Ruger. My
friend has had an issue with one of the bolts that you apparently have
to take out in order to clean. I've read other reports of a similar
issue. Check around on the web.
Either way you can't go wrong. My Ruger was a present so you can't beat
that!
-J
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| HarHill |
| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 4:38 am |
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Ruger: tons of aftermarket items
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| Bruce Kirchner |
| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 4:38 am |
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They are both nice little .22's. The old Browning pistols were marvelous
pieces. Today, they are still fine pistols as are the Rugers. If I had to
choose, I'd buy the Ruger. If you can find an old Medellion for a decent price
- jump on it, also true of the older High Standards.
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Bruce Kirchner
TRA L2 #5888
Michigan Team 1 High Power Rocketry
Proud Gun Owner!
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| MisterSkippy |
| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:57 pm |
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On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:58:06 +0000 (UTC), "tadpole1978"
<tadpole1978@hotmail.com> wrote:
#I'm after a new plinker and don'y know what to buy. Please give e
#recommendations of either a Ruger Mark II or III or Browning Buckmark.
#Please help as I'm torn.
#Thanks
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Both are fine pistols. Buy the one that fits your hand the best. It is
the one you will shoot the best and thus enjoy most. I bought the
Buckmark after having handled and fired both.
"When a legislature undertakes to proscribe the exercise of a citizen's
constitutional rights it acts lawlessly and the citizen can take matters into
his own hands and proceed on the basis that such a law is no law at all."
- Justice William O. Douglas
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| Steve Sherman |
| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 5:26 pm |
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tadpole1978 wrote:
# I'm after a new plinker and don'y know what to buy. Please give e
# recommendations of either a Ruger Mark II or III or Browning Buckmark.
# Please help as I'm torn.
# Thanks
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Look at it this way. The Ruger is a Chevy, The Buckmark is a Buick.
Get the one that feels best in "your hand" and looks good to "you".
They both function very well.
Steve
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| Rick Courtright |
| Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 5:07 am |
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JRK wrote:
# Some people are just rude.
This is true, which is why I only posted the cleaned up version. If
someone's sensitive to that one, they really wouldn't have wanted to be
around when my boss or one of our gunsmiths gave the unabridged version.
To paraphrase, if one couldn't field strip and reassemble a Mk II easily
(instructions and a paper clip being allowed), they might oughta get
some of those shoes with velcro fasteners as well as suggestions about
examining their familial gene pool!
One of our other gunsmiths, a more patient man who's since retired from
gunsmithing but still sells guns in a shop, explains to people who have
problems with Mk IIs that the drill is simple: "Go home and read the
manual. Then do exactly what it says. When that doesn't work, read the
manual again, and this time do EXACTLY what is says!"
My apologies for seeming rude.
Rick
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| JRK |
| Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 5:26 pm |
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-------- Original Message --------
# JRK wrote:
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# # Some people are just rude.
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# This is true, which is why I only posted the cleaned up version. If
# someone's sensitive to that one, they really wouldn't have wanted to be
# around when my boss or one of our gunsmiths gave the unabridged version.
# To paraphrase, if one couldn't field strip and reassemble a Mk II easily
# (instructions and a paper clip being allowed), they might oughta get
# some of those shoes with velcro fasteners as well as suggestions about
# examining their familial gene pool!
#
# One of our other gunsmiths, a more patient man who's since retired from
# gunsmithing but still sells guns in a shop, explains to people who have
# problems with Mk IIs that the drill is simple: "Go home and read the
# manual. Then do exactly what it says. When that doesn't work, read the
# manual again, and this time do EXACTLY what is says!"
#
# My apologies for seeming rude.
#
# Rick
Even the cleaned up version assumes that the instructions in the manual
haven't been read and followed.
When I first disassembled mine, it required a lot of effort to remove
the bolt stop pin (even with a plastic hammer), and it was hard enough
to reinstall that I was sure I was going to break something. The parts
have worn a bit and now its easy.
A friend of mine had one, and when I went to show him how easy it was,
the parts were such a tight fit that I almost couldn't get it back
together. That is when I discovered that the guide rod on the recoil
spring assembly was just a hair too long.
I could read the manual over and over again but I am willing to bet that
it won't make the parts any less a tight fit. Telling new owners what to
expect might be more helpful that repeating read the manual.
Randy
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| Joseph Lovell |
| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 5:20 pm |
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Mike@SalmonRiverDesign.com wrote:
#As for field stripping a Ruger... yes, comparatively speaking, it is
#harder than stripping a Beretta 92, but not nearly as annoying as
#stripping a Colt 1911. But what you have to realize with the Ruger is,
#it's perfectly OK to smack it around a bit with a hard plastic mallet.
#Necessary, in fact. And once you internalize that little bit of
#wisdom, your quality of life will improve substantially.
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Once you have, through frequent stripping and reassembly, worn away some
of the close machine tolerance and hand fitting that Ruger features on
all its MkIIs (That's a joke, boy. You're supposed to laugh) it becomes
more of a finess game. Knowing when to pull the trigger to allow the
striker to change position and knowing when to invert the gun to get it
to do that. Once you get that down they go back together like bread and
butter, like steak and eggs, like peanut butter and jelly, like biscuts
and gravey, like brie and chablis.
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| R.M.R. |
| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 5:20 pm |
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Trust me,I don't hold a lot of stock in gun rag articles,actually I've
cancelled all but Shooting Times and American Rifleman however I just
read a pretty impressive article on the new Ruger Mklll Hunter in
22lr.One upgrade I liked that may seem trivial to some is they finally
put the stupid -WARNING- on the underside of the fluted barrel.
I don't think either are tack drivers and not advertised as being
however I've had several Mkll's and a Buckmark, like most .22lr firearms
both seemed a little finicky with ammo choices until you find the right
mix.Funny the Buckmark fancied CCI Stingers in the accuracy dept.I'm not
much of a small game hunter but if they wack Mr.Peanut as good as soda
cans they both would fit the hunting bill just fine.As mentioned Ruger
has more after market goodies but that's not a big plus with me to over
look the Buckmark.
As far as customer service I never needed Ruger's (guess that's a good
thing) but heard they treat you right.I did have trouble with a
Buckmark's safety.Browning instead of fixing it sent me a new upgraded
Buckmark-Plus with a few extra mags for the trouble so by me they did
right.
All considered if I was to buy another .22lr today I might give the
Mklll Hunter a try for no other reason then I like its looks and
possibly could be tempter into buying it in .17. Just wish both
manufacturers would go back to front steel sights and make the fiber
optics a customer option, I'm a little hard on some things and don't
need to be worrying about knocking out a plastic tube in the field...
Ray,
(Si vis pacem,
para bellum) U.S.A.
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| Jerry |
| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 5:20 pm |
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Mike@SalmonRiverDesign.com wrote:
# I've had both, and I currently own the Mark III. I have no plans to
# own a Buckmark again. Not until they do something about the trigger
# pull and that silly little scalloped slide.
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I've got a Buckmark and the trigger was crisp and smooth from the box.
Well, at least for a stock gun anyway but I agree with you on that damn
slide. It isn't so awful bad you can't get use to it but try and scope
the gun and operate the slide. Then you will know what a pia it is.
Thinking about getting some of that self adhesive non skid and cut some
small strips to stick on the side. That might give me something to grip.
Jerry
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