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| MisterSkippy |
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On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:58:06 +0000 (UTC), "tadpole1978"
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#I'm after a new plinker and don'y know what to buy. Please give e
#recommendations of either a Ruger Mark II or III or Browning Buckmark.
#Please help as I'm torn.
#Thanks
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Both are fine pistols. Buy the one that fits your hand the best. It is
the one you will shoot the best and thus enjoy most. I bought the
Buckmark after having handled and fired both.
"When a legislature undertakes to proscribe the exercise of a citizen's
constitutional rights it acts lawlessly and the citizen can take matters into
his own hands and proceed on the basis that such a law is no law at all."
- Justice William O. Douglas
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| Steve Harp |
| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 6:45 am |
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On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:38:14 +0000 (UTC), Rick Courtright
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#Steve Harp wrote:
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## The Ruger is a great little auto but an absolute bitch to clean.
## Disassembly and reassembly is killer.
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#RTFM!
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#Then do ~exactly~ what it says. It's a simple concept.
Reading the manual doesn't make the parts any easier to fit together.
I've read it every time I've ever assembled/disassembled the thing and
it's been an absolute bitch every time. Getting that pin to go up
through the bolt is nearly impossible. I finally bought an after
market part that allows you to remove the bolt for cleaning without
having to take that pin out. If the MkII wasn't a bitch to strip, the
market for after market parts like that wouldn't exist.
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| GLC1173 |
| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 5:25 pm |
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Steve wrote:
#Reading the manual doesn't make the >parts any easier to fit together.
#I've read it every time I've ever >assembled/disassembled the thing and
#it's been an absolute bitch every time. >Getting that pin to go up
#through the bolt is nearly impossible.
It's not hard. Field-strip and reassembly of a MkII is easy - IF you use a
bent paper clip held in a pair of pliers to pull that takedown lever! A
lanyard loop on a cord is even more convenient - if you have a spare lanyard.
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| JRK |
| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 5:25 pm |
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-------- Original Message --------
# On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:38:14 +0000 (UTC), Rick Courtright
# <rcourtright@iname.com> wrote:
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# #Steve Harp wrote:
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# ## The Ruger is a great little auto but an absolute bitch to clean.
# ## Disassembly and reassembly is killer.
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# #RTFM!
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# #Then do ~exactly~ what it says. It's a simple concept.
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# Reading the manual doesn't make the parts any easier to fit together.
# I've read it every time I've ever assembled/disassembled the thing and
# it's been an absolute bitch every time. Getting that pin to go up
# through the bolt is nearly impossible. I finally bought an after
# market part that allows you to remove the bolt for cleaning without
# having to take that pin out. If the MkII wasn't a bitch to strip, the
# market for after market parts like that wouldn't exist.
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Some people are just rude.
I think that it gets easier with time as the parts wear a bit. Here's an
observation.
I had trouble getting the pin up through the receiver with the bolt in
place, but without the bolt it was no problem at all. I discovered that
the guide rod was just a hair too long. I filed off less than .5mm and
now it goes together without a hitch.
I can strip mine down and remove the receiver from the frame, then
reassemble in less than 15 seconds. My Buckmark gave me trouble though.
It seems that if I tightened the sight rail screws enough to prevent
them from loosening while shooting I could barely remove them for cleaning.
I like both guns.
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| Steve Sherman |
| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 5:26 pm |
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tadpole1978 wrote:
# I'm after a new plinker and don'y know what to buy. Please give e
# recommendations of either a Ruger Mark II or III or Browning Buckmark.
# Please help as I'm torn.
# Thanks
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Look at it this way. The Ruger is a Chevy, The Buckmark is a Buick.
Get the one that feels best in "your hand" and looks good to "you".
They both function very well.
Steve
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| Rick Courtright |
| Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 5:07 am |
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JRK wrote:
# Some people are just rude.
This is true, which is why I only posted the cleaned up version. If
someone's sensitive to that one, they really wouldn't have wanted to be
around when my boss or one of our gunsmiths gave the unabridged version.
To paraphrase, if one couldn't field strip and reassemble a Mk II easily
(instructions and a paper clip being allowed), they might oughta get
some of those shoes with velcro fasteners as well as suggestions about
examining their familial gene pool!
One of our other gunsmiths, a more patient man who's since retired from
gunsmithing but still sells guns in a shop, explains to people who have
problems with Mk IIs that the drill is simple: "Go home and read the
manual. Then do exactly what it says. When that doesn't work, read the
manual again, and this time do EXACTLY what is says!"
My apologies for seeming rude.
Rick
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| David R. Johnson |
| Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 5:26 pm |
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"Rick Courtright" <rcourtright@iname.com> wrote in message
news:ctvs2p$680$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# JRK wrote:
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# # Some people are just rude.
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# This is true, which is why I only posted the cleaned up version. If
# someone's sensitive to that one, they really wouldn't have wanted to be
# around when my boss or one of our gunsmiths gave the unabridged version.
# To paraphrase, if one couldn't field strip and reassemble a Mk II easily
# (instructions and a paper clip being allowed), they might oughta get
# some of those shoes with velcro fasteners as well as suggestions about
# examining their familial gene pool!
Having velcro shoes is not necesarrily a reflection on my...I mean someones
ability to fieldstrip their pistols, hypothetically speaking of course.
Especially if I....rather they had the pistols before the shoes.
--
Daivd R. Johnson
My wife says all life's little problems can be solved with a ball peen
hammer and duct tape...I prefer a mixture of stainless brass and lead.
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| JRK |
| Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 5:26 pm |
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-------- Original Message --------
# JRK wrote:
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# # Some people are just rude.
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# This is true, which is why I only posted the cleaned up version. If
# someone's sensitive to that one, they really wouldn't have wanted to be
# around when my boss or one of our gunsmiths gave the unabridged version.
# To paraphrase, if one couldn't field strip and reassemble a Mk II easily
# (instructions and a paper clip being allowed), they might oughta get
# some of those shoes with velcro fasteners as well as suggestions about
# examining their familial gene pool!
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# One of our other gunsmiths, a more patient man who's since retired from
# gunsmithing but still sells guns in a shop, explains to people who have
# problems with Mk IIs that the drill is simple: "Go home and read the
# manual. Then do exactly what it says. When that doesn't work, read the
# manual again, and this time do EXACTLY what is says!"
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# My apologies for seeming rude.
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# Rick
Even the cleaned up version assumes that the instructions in the manual
haven't been read and followed.
When I first disassembled mine, it required a lot of effort to remove
the bolt stop pin (even with a plastic hammer), and it was hard enough
to reinstall that I was sure I was going to break something. The parts
have worn a bit and now its easy.
A friend of mine had one, and when I went to show him how easy it was,
the parts were such a tight fit that I almost couldn't get it back
together. That is when I discovered that the guide rod on the recoil
spring assembly was just a hair too long.
I could read the manual over and over again but I am willing to bet that
it won't make the parts any less a tight fit. Telling new owners what to
expect might be more helpful that repeating read the manual.
Randy
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| Jerry |
| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 2:19 am |
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David R. Johnson wrote:
# "Rick Courtright" <rcourtright@iname.com> wrote in message
# news:ctvs2p$680$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# # JRK wrote:
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# # # Some people are just rude.
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# # This is true, which is why I only posted the cleaned up version. If
# # someone's sensitive to that one, they really wouldn't have wanted to be
# # around when my boss or one of our gunsmiths gave the unabridged version.
# # To paraphrase, if one couldn't field strip and reassemble a Mk II easily
# # (instructions and a paper clip being allowed), they might oughta get
# # some of those shoes with velcro fasteners as well as suggestions about
# # examining their familial gene pool!
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# Having velcro shoes is not necesarrily a reflection on my...I mean someones
# ability to fieldstrip their pistols, hypothetically speaking of course.
# Especially if I....rather they had the pistols before the shoes.
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Yeah ........ I like them velcro shoes also. Especially since we don't
wear shoes in the home it makes things easier......... velcro forever :)
Jerry
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| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 2:19 am |
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I've had both, and I currently own the Mark III. I have no plans to
own a Buckmark again. Not until they do something about the trigger
pull and that silly little scalloped slide.
As for field stripping a Ruger... yes, comparatively speaking, it is
harder than stripping a Beretta 92, but not nearly as annoying as
stripping a Colt 1911. But what you have to realize with the Ruger is,
it's perfectly OK to smack it around a bit with a hard plastic mallet.
Necessary, in fact. And once you internalize that little bit of
wisdom, your quality of life will improve substantially.
As for the Mark III's safety features: The loaded chamber indicator is
perfectly safe. After all, it doesn't actually smack the cartridge rim
like the extractor does when you release the bolt. No one seems to
have a problem with that... but the loaded chamber indicator is
annoying in one respect; it has a tendency to snag in the holster.
As for the thumb actuated magazine drop... This mechanism needs
improvement. The magazine safety interlock prevents the magazine from
dropping free when the hammer is in the cocked position. What good is
a thumb actuated mag release, if the damn mag won't drop out?
Disabling the magazine safety interlock is DEFINITELY on my list of
things to do...
Having said all that, the ideal arrangement is to fit a Mark III lower
on a Mark II upper. And since the upper is the serialed part, I
suspect it won't be long until one can order a complete Mark III lower
from Ruger...
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| Joseph Lovell |
| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 5:20 pm |
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Mike@SalmonRiverDesign.com wrote:
#As for field stripping a Ruger... yes, comparatively speaking, it is
#harder than stripping a Beretta 92, but not nearly as annoying as
#stripping a Colt 1911. But what you have to realize with the Ruger is,
#it's perfectly OK to smack it around a bit with a hard plastic mallet.
#Necessary, in fact. And once you internalize that little bit of
#wisdom, your quality of life will improve substantially.
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Once you have, through frequent stripping and reassembly, worn away some
of the close machine tolerance and hand fitting that Ruger features on
all its MkIIs (That's a joke, boy. You're supposed to laugh) it becomes
more of a finess game. Knowing when to pull the trigger to allow the
striker to change position and knowing when to invert the gun to get it
to do that. Once you get that down they go back together like bread and
butter, like steak and eggs, like peanut butter and jelly, like biscuts
and gravey, like brie and chablis.
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| R.M.R. |
| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 5:20 pm |
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Trust me,I don't hold a lot of stock in gun rag articles,actually I've
cancelled all but Shooting Times and American Rifleman however I just
read a pretty impressive article on the new Ruger Mklll Hunter in
22lr.One upgrade I liked that may seem trivial to some is they finally
put the stupid -WARNING- on the underside of the fluted barrel.
I don't think either are tack drivers and not advertised as being
however I've had several Mkll's and a Buckmark, like most .22lr firearms
both seemed a little finicky with ammo choices until you find the right
mix.Funny the Buckmark fancied CCI Stingers in the accuracy dept.I'm not
much of a small game hunter but if they wack Mr.Peanut as good as soda
cans they both would fit the hunting bill just fine.As mentioned Ruger
has more after market goodies but that's not a big plus with me to over
look the Buckmark.
As far as customer service I never needed Ruger's (guess that's a good
thing) but heard they treat you right.I did have trouble with a
Buckmark's safety.Browning instead of fixing it sent me a new upgraded
Buckmark-Plus with a few extra mags for the trouble so by me they did
right.
All considered if I was to buy another .22lr today I might give the
Mklll Hunter a try for no other reason then I like its looks and
possibly could be tempter into buying it in .17. Just wish both
manufacturers would go back to front steel sights and make the fiber
optics a customer option, I'm a little hard on some things and don't
need to be worrying about knocking out a plastic tube in the field...
Ray,
(Si vis pacem,
para bellum) U.S.A.
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| Jerry |
| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 5:20 pm |
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Mike@SalmonRiverDesign.com wrote:
# I've had both, and I currently own the Mark III. I have no plans to
# own a Buckmark again. Not until they do something about the trigger
# pull and that silly little scalloped slide.
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I've got a Buckmark and the trigger was crisp and smooth from the box.
Well, at least for a stock gun anyway but I agree with you on that damn
slide. It isn't so awful bad you can't get use to it but try and scope
the gun and operate the slide. Then you will know what a pia it is.
Thinking about getting some of that self adhesive non skid and cut some
small strips to stick on the side. That might give me something to grip.
Jerry
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| S. R. Sheffield |
| Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 4:39 am |
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On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:20:13 +0000 (UTC), Jerry
<jlrice1655@earthlink.net> wrote:
Quote: ...
I got a "camo" model and it had the "bubbles or buldges" on the back
of the slide. Hellofalot better than the first one I bought.
SRS
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| zxcvbob |
| Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 4:39 am |
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Joseph Lovell wrote:
# Mike@SalmonRiverDesign.com wrote:
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# #As for field stripping a Ruger... yes, comparatively speaking, it is
# #harder than stripping a Beretta 92, but not nearly as annoying as
# #stripping a Colt 1911. But what you have to realize with the Ruger is,
# #it's perfectly OK to smack it around a bit with a hard plastic mallet.
# #Necessary, in fact. And once you internalize that little bit of
# #wisdom, your quality of life will improve substantially.
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# Once you have, through frequent stripping and reassembly, worn away some
# of the close machine tolerance and hand fitting that Ruger features on
# all its MkIIs (That's a joke, boy. You're supposed to laugh) it becomes
# more of a finess game. Knowing when to pull the trigger to allow the
# striker to change position and knowing when to invert the gun to get it
# to do that. Once you get that down they go back together like bread and
# butter, like steak and eggs, like peanut butter and jelly, like biscuts
# and gravey, like brie and chablis.
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It took me almost 2 hours to put my Ruger back together the first time I
removed the bolt. Reading the manual didn't really help much (the bolt
would only pull out less than half way -- you knew that already), until
I found the section near the back of the manual about how to assemble
the gun so if can't be fired, and then how to fix it. That's where it
really explains how to invert the gun to reposition the striker.
Bob
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