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Isaiah Gilliland...
Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 7:23 pm
 
Just something I made while bored and reading some posts about the
Lisp logo. I don't really care much if the anyone wants to use it, I
just thought it was a neat and clean design for a logo. I made it red
to pop out, plus I think some lispers like red, and I feel it's
important to have parenthesis in there as it's a defining
characteristic of the language. It's simple and kinda reminds me of
the era Lisp came from.
Had it sitting on my hard disk, so I'm just gonna throw it out there
and see what happens.

http://www.imagebam.com/image/f52f5299341292

Take care^^
 
Isaiah Gilliland...
Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:12 pm
 
On Sep 25, 3:01pm, Marc Mientki <mien... at (no spam) nonet.com> wrote:
Quote:
Am 25.09.2010 21:23, schrieb Isaiah Gilliland:

Just something I made while bored and reading some posts about the
Lisp logo. I don't really care much if the anyone wants to use it, I
just thought it was a neat and clean design for a logo. I made it red
to pop out, plus I think some lispers like red, and I feel it's
important to have parenthesis in there as it's a defining
characteristic of the language. It's simple and kinda reminds me of
the era Lisp came from.
Had it sitting on my hard disk, so I'm just gonna throw it out there
and see what happens.

http://www.imagebam.com/image/f52f5299341292

Take care^^

No bad as starting point for further work. To me it is to few readable.

A propos lisp logo - I like Clozure loge very well. It has parenthesis
and retro appearing colors:

https://www.ohloh.net/p/ccl

Very felicitous choice.

regards
Marc

I agree, I could make it more readable. I've thought of blending the
flowing logo I've seen with this. Part of the problem is that there's
so many options. Maybe I could make a new version if I find the time
 
Marc Mientki...
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:01 am
 
Am 25.09.2010 21:23, schrieb Isaiah Gilliland:
Quote:
Just something I made while bored and reading some posts about the
Lisp logo. I don't really care much if the anyone wants to use it, I
just thought it was a neat and clean design for a logo. I made it red
to pop out, plus I think some lispers like red, and I feel it's
important to have parenthesis in there as it's a defining
characteristic of the language. It's simple and kinda reminds me of
the era Lisp came from.
Had it sitting on my hard disk, so I'm just gonna throw it out there
and see what happens.

http://www.imagebam.com/image/f52f5299341292

Take care^^

No bad as starting point for further work. To me it is to few readable.

A propos lisp logo - I like Clozure loge very well. It has parenthesis
and retro appearing colors:

https://www.ohloh.net/p/ccl

Very felicitous choice.

regards
Marc
 
Kenneth Tilton...
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 3:32 am
 
On 9/25/2010 4:01 PM, Marc Mientki wrote:
Quote:
Am 25.09.2010 21:23, schrieb Isaiah Gilliland:
Just something I made while bored and reading some posts about the
Lisp logo. I don't really care much if the anyone wants to use it, I
just thought it was a neat and clean design for a logo. I made it red
to pop out, plus I think some lispers like red, and I feel it's
important to have parenthesis in there as it's a defining
characteristic of the language. It's simple and kinda reminds me of
the era Lisp came from.
Had it sitting on my hard disk, so I'm just gonna throw it out there
and see what happens.

http://www.imagebam.com/image/f52f5299341292

Take care^^

No bad as starting point for further work. To me it is to few readable.

A propos lisp logo - I like Clozure loge very well. It has parenthesis
and retro appearing colors:

https://www.ohloh.net/p/ccl

Ugh! Smile Clearly someone with all my graphic talent at work. And I hate
that they broke the CCL trademark with the line break. I say just go
with the lambda character, perhaps stylized a bit to make clear it is a
trademark of something. Then we just have to take over the world and
people will grok that /that/ lambda is CL.

kt

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Xah Lee...
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 8:16 pm
 
On Sep 26, 12:09 pm, p... at (no spam) informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon)
wrote:
Quote:
That said, the two most successful companies nowadays have as logo a
multicolored name and an (originally) multicolored bitten fruit.

I don't find Barski's logo out of place, and I rather like them.
http://www.lisperati.com/logo.html

http://www.lisperati.com/lisplogo_alien_256.png

the problem with them is that they are not logos, but more as web
badges.

it's not a picking on terms. The two have different purposes, and are
graphically very different in their design. e.g. web dages often
carrie a message, sometimes a full sentence in the artwork work.
Logos, in general cannot carry any slogan. When they do occationally,
the slogan doesn't stick, is removed, or replaced constantly...

similarly, the design basis for logos and badges differ from mascots.
Barski's design is more like a mix of mascot and badge.

i wrote full essay about this

• 〈Lisp Needs A Logo〉
http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/logo_lisp.html

--------------------------------------------------
Lisp Needs A Logo

Xah Lee, 2006-12

Lisp needs a logo.

Ken Tilton wrote:

Small problem. You forget that Ron Garret wants us to change the
name of Common Lisp as the sure-fire way to make it more popular
(well, hang on, he says it is necessary, not sufficient. Anyway...) I
do not think we can safely pick a new logo until we have our new name.

Changing a language's name is not something that can be easily done,
and is unnatural and takes concerted effort, and is very difficult for
it to be successful.

However, creating a (universally recognized) logo for the language, is
easily done, and in fact the use of a logo or some representative
image is inevitable and wide-spread, willy-nilly.

For example, although there are no official logos for lisp, but as you
know, there are several logos or images of various forms that are
already used widely, either to represent lisp the language family, or
to represent the Common Lisp language. And, for various Scheme
implementations, they almost all had a logo of their own. (See The
Lambda Logo Tour for Scheme logos) Example:


The “twisty AI typeface” LISP logo. Used by http://lisp.org/ as early
as 2001.


The “earth in parenthesis” logo, used by http://lisp.org/ as of
2006-12.


Conrad Barski's “alien technology” lisp web-badges Source, which
appeared in 2005.


Manfred Spiller's “lizard” lisp web-badge Source, which appeared in
2005.

As these examples attest, that the use of a logo is needed in
practice. However, it wouldn't help if there are one hundred different
logos to represent the same thing. The point of logos, is to have a
memorable, graphical representation. In modern, capitalistic,
societies filled with information, the use of logos is inevitable.
Just look around you at this very moment, you probably can identify
tens of logos: on your computer, on your mouse, on your clothing, on
your TV, on your light bulbs, on your watch, phone, bags, shoes. Logo,
is merely a graphical representation of a entity, whose textual
counterpart is name.

Since there is a need for logos, we might as well get together and
agree to have one official logo for lisp the language. That way, it
solidifies the purpose of the logos in use.

Note that, although we have the beautiful “lisp lizard” and “alien
technology” graphics, but because of their graphic content and in
particular the embedded slogan, they do not fit as a logo, but more as
web-badges.

Web-badges serve slightly different purpose than logos. It is more for
the purpose of promotion, than representation. For the same reason,
there are mascots. For example, Java the language, has a official logo
of a smoking coffee cup, but also has a mascot of a penguin named
“Duke”.


The official former Java logo (1996-2003), Java logo (2003-), and its
mascot.

The World Wide Consortium organization (http://www.w3.org/) also has a
logo, and it has various web-badges for its various web technology
validation services.


The official logo of the The World Wide Consortium organization, and
the web-badge of its XHTML validation.

The history of Python community's logo is a good example of the
eventual recognition of a need for a unified, official logo.


Old, widely used but not officially blessed logo for Python, used up
to 2005.


Various logos, application icon, and badges that are used for Python
before it has a official logo.


Official Python logo of “double snakes”, inaugurated in 2005.

Addendum 2007-12


On 2007-12, yours truly redraw the twisty-lisp bitmap image with a
vector software. I think this is the best logo to represent the lisp
family of languages. For different sizes and SVG format, see LISP
Logo.

Xah ∑ xahlee.org ☄
 
JB at CofC...
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:35 pm
 
"Lisp" is a many-splendored language. It comes in very many variations
for many reasons. Many, but all, are built on the Common Lisp
specification. Others - Scheme, Clojure, take different directions.
Most CL implementations have special extensions. But all follow the
lambda/functional concepts. I don't think there's no need to have a
single logo to go across all of these implementations. Implementers
should be at liberty to make their own logo for their own needs. But I
do think that the various logos should pay homage to the roots -
whether is a lambda, parens, or others. It took us some time to come
up with a logo that is easily seen as being a CL but has a twist of
Java (http://www.clforjava.org/).

Now that Python has a single logo, every implementation will have to
stay with the standard as the standard evolves. That didn't happen
with Common Lisp. The CL standard became a base for other
implementations to experiment. But rather than evolving the standard
(what I thought we should have done - I was wrong), the lisp
implementations evolve - new ideas, cross-breeding. This is the way
lisp will be alive long after python/Java/etc have been discarded.

On Sep 26, 4:16pm, Xah Lee <xah... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Sep 26, 12:09pm, p... at (no spam) informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon)
wrote:> That said, the two most successful companies nowadays have as logo a
multicolored name and an (originally) multicolored bitten fruit.

I don't find Barski's logo out of place, and I rather like them.

http://www.lisperati.com/logo.htmlhttp://www.lisperati.com/lisplogo_alien_256.png

the problem with them is that they are not logos, but more as web
badges.

 
Xah Lee...
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:50 pm
 
On Sep 26, 3:35pm, JB at CofC <boet... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
"Lisp" is a many-splendored language. It comes in very many variations
for many reasons. Many, but all, are built on the Common Lisp
specification. Others - Scheme, Clojure, take different directions.
Most CL implementations have special extensions. But all follow the
lambda/functional concepts. I don't think there's no need to have a
single logo to go across all of these implementations. Implementers
should be at liberty to make their own logo for their own needs. But I
do think that the various logos should pay homage to the roots -
whether is a lambda, parens, or others. It took us some time to come
up with a logo that is easily seen as being a CL but has a twist of
Java (http://www.clforjava.org/).

Now that Python has a single logo, every implementation will have to
stay with the standard as the standard evolves. That didn't happen
with Common Lisp. The CL standard became a base for other
implementations to experiment. But rather than evolving the standard
(what I thought we should have done - I was wrong), the lisp
implementations evolve - new ideas, cross-breeding. This is the way
lisp will be alive long after python/Java/etc have been discarded.

hey thanks for that cl for java logo. New to me. I think i'll add to
my collection of lisp lang logos.

but a random guess... you are involved with cl for java right? :)

Xah
 
Xah Lee...
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:26 pm
 
On Sep 26, 3:35 pm, JB at CofC <boet... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
"Lisp" is a many-splendored language. It comes in very many variations
for many reasons. Many, but all, are built on the Common Lisp
specification. Others - Scheme, Clojure, take different directions.
Most CL implementations have special extensions. But all follow the
lambda/functional concepts. I don't think there's no need to have a
single logo to go across all of these implementations. Implementers
should be at liberty to make their own logo for their own needs. But I
do think that the various logos should pay homage to the roots -
whether is a lambda, parens, or others. It took us some time to come
up with a logo that is easily seen as being a CL but has a twist of
Java (http://www.clforjava.org/).

i place your logo here:

• 〈A Lambda Logo Tour〉
http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/lambda_logo.html

btw, do you have info about who designed the logo? typically i like to
include that info, for the graphics artist community.

anyone knew who designed the Clozure Common Lisp logo?

Xah ∑ xahlee.org ☄
 
jonsul...
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:18 pm
 
On Sep 25, 2:23pm, Isaiah Gilliland <jonsul... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Just something I made while bored and reading some posts about the
Lisplogo. I don't really care much if the anyone wants to use it, I
just thought it was a neat and clean design for alogo. I made it red
to pop out, plus I think some lispers like red, and I feel it's
important to have parenthesis in there as it's a defining
characteristic of the language. It's simple and kinda reminds me of
the era Lisp came from.
Had it sitting on my hard disk, so I'm just gonna throw it out there
and see what happens.

http://www.imagebam.com/image/f52f5299341292

Take care^^

Okay I put a little more thought into it and I came up with this Logo.
I like it a lot better. I also made a version of the mascot to go with
it as well. What do you guys think?
http://www.imagebam.com/image/0223c9100364233
http://www.imagebam.com/image/1b1a75100363812
 
 
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