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| Ian Michael Gumby... |
 Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:27 pm |
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Ok,
I understand that the IIUG needs to make some money to cover the short fall in IBM 'marketing' dollars.
But pimping out the IIUG mailing list to Vendor Rate?
C'mon!
I guess OnePoint (Ron) or Oninit (Paul) either couldn't/wouldn't stump up the cash for the mailing,
or they didn't meet Stuart's strict requirements. :-)
Seriously, I do think that Vendor Rate is worth $129 a year? I mean no offense to the company willing to spend $$$ to advertise via the IIUG, but c'mon lets get real.
Anytime I have had a question about hardware/software, I tend to ask people that I trust.
(Like posting questions about SSDs here).
Why can't we ask Sun Micro to advertise here? I mean if the EU continues to block the Oracle deal, that will mean that they will have to find another suitor. I'm thinking Cisco would be a great fit. ;-)
But hey! What do I know? Its not like Larry Ellison couldn't afford to bribe the EU decision makers. (No, I'm not saying that he would or that they would accept the bribe, just that he's got the billions to make it happen..  (Oh and you think IBM is the only company that has senior execs that get arrested for insider trading or bribing officials? Ok... add Intel to that list too. 8^0 )
[Its a joke people!]
-G
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| Art Kagel... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:18 am |
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Noone's "pimped out" the IIUG mailing list. We NEVER give the list to
ANYONE, not even IBM gets that list. Not even the four current and five
former BOD members who provide charged services to the community in addition
to their volunteer work have access to use that mailing list. The privacy
of the IIUG mailing list is sacrosanct.
As for VendorRate and the recent email advertisement, the IIUG sent out that
email blast as it does all such emails for our partners and sponsors.
VendorRate is an IIUG partner. They get the equivalent of the lowest
sponsor's privileges, which includes a number of email blasts annually, in
exchange for services rendered to the organization, the specifics of which
is Board of Directors' business. Suffice it to say that we get value for
value.
If you don't want to pay VendorRate for the right to see their full
reporting, don't. Simple. Don't whine about it.
Art
Art S. Kagel
Oninit (www.oninit.com)
IIUG Board of Directors (art at (no spam) iiug.org)
Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and
do not reflect on my employer, Oninit, the IIUG, nor any other organization
with which I am associated either explicitly or implicitly. Neither do
those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity
with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves.
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Ian Michael Gumby <im_gumby at (no spam) hotmail.com>wrote:
Quote: Ok,
I understand that the IIUG needs to make some money to cover the short fall
in IBM 'marketing' dollars.
But pimping out the IIUG mailing list to Vendor Rate?
C'mon!
I guess OnePoint (Ron) or Oninit (Paul) either couldn't/wouldn't stump up
the cash for the mailing,
or they didn't meet Stuart's strict requirements. :-)
Seriously, I do think that Vendor Rate is worth $129 a year? I mean no
offense to the company willing to spend $$$ to advertise via the IIUG, but
c'mon lets get real.
Anytime I have had a question about hardware/software, I tend to ask people
that I trust.
(Like posting questions about SSDs here).
Why can't we ask Sun Micro to advertise here? I mean if the EU continues to
block the Oracle deal, that will mean that they will have to find another
suitor. I'm thinking Cisco would be a great fit. ;-)
But hey! What do I know? Its not like Larry Ellison couldn't afford to
bribe the EU decision makers. (No, I'm not saying that he would or that they
would accept the bribe, just that he's got the billions to make it happen.
(Oh and you think IBM is the only company that has senior execs that
get arrested for insider trading or bribing officials? Ok... add Intel to
that list too. 8^0 )
[Its a joke people!]
-G
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| Ian Michael Gumby... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:59 am |
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Art,
I never said that they sold the marketing list.
Just that they were pimping vendor rate.
From: art.kagel at (no spam) gmail.com
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:18:35 -0500
Subject: Re: ? Prevent bad IT investments?
To: im_gumby at (no spam) hotmail.com
CC: informix-list at (no spam) iiug.org
Noone's "pimped out" the IIUG mailing list. We NEVER give the list to ANYONE, not even IBM gets that list. Not even the four current and five former BOD members who provide charged services to the community in addition to their volunteer work have access to use that mailing list. The privacy of the IIUG mailing list is sacrosanct.
As for VendorRate and the recent email advertisement, the IIUG sent out that email blast as it does all such emails for our partners and sponsors. VendorRate is an IIUG partner. They get the equivalent of the lowest sponsor's privileges, which includes a number of email blasts annually, in exchange for services rendered to the organization, the specifics of which is Board of Directors' business. Suffice it to say that we get value for value.
If you don't want to pay VendorRate for the right to see their full reporting, don't. Simple. Don't whine about it.
Art
Art S. Kagel
Oninit (www.oninit.com)
IIUG Board of Directors (art at (no spam) iiug.org)
Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Oninit, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly or implicitly. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves.
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Ian Michael Gumby <im_gumby at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Ok,
I understand that the IIUG needs to make some money to cover the short fall in IBM 'marketing' dollars.
But pimping out the IIUG mailing list to Vendor Rate?
C'mon!
I guess OnePoint (Ron) or Oninit (Paul) either couldn't/wouldn't stump up the cash for the mailing,
or they didn't meet Stuart's strict requirements. :-)
Seriously, I do think that Vendor Rate is worth $129 a year? I mean no offense to the company willing to spend $$$ to advertise via the IIUG, but c'mon lets get real.
Anytime I have had a question about hardware/software, I tend to ask people that I trust.
(Like posting questions about SSDs here).
Why can't we ask Sun Micro to advertise here? I mean if the EU continues to block the Oracle deal, that will mean that they will have to find another suitor. I'm thinking Cisco would be a great fit. ;-)
But hey! What do I know? Its not like Larry Ellison couldn't afford to bribe the EU decision makers. (No, I'm not saying that he would or that they would accept the bribe, just that he's got the billions to make it happen.. (Oh and you think IBM is the only company that has senior execs that get arrested for insider trading or bribing officials? Ok... add Intel to that list too. 8^0 )
[Its a joke people!]
-G
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| Art Kagel... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:22 am |
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Actually you said "pimping out the IIUG mailing list".
Art
Art S. Kagel
Oninit (www.oninit.com)
IIUG Board of Directors (art at (no spam) iiug.org)
Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and
do not reflect on my employer, Oninit, the IIUG, nor any other organization
with which I am associated either explicitly or implicitly. Neither do
those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity
with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves.
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Ian Michael Gumby <im_gumby at (no spam) hotmail.com>wrote:
Quote: Art,
I never said that they sold the marketing list.
Just that they were pimping vendor rate.
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From: art.kagel at (no spam) gmail.com
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:18:35 -0500
Subject: Re: ? Prevent bad IT investments?
To: im_gumby at (no spam) hotmail.com
CC: informix-list at (no spam) iiug.org
Noone's "pimped out" the IIUG mailing list. We NEVER give the list to
ANYONE, not even IBM gets that list. Not even the four current and five
former BOD members who provide charged services to the community in addition
to their volunteer work have access to use that mailing list. The privacy
of the IIUG mailing list is sacrosanct.
As for VendorRate and the recent email advertisement, the IIUG sent out
that email blast as it does all such emails for our partners and sponsors..
VendorRate is an IIUG partner. They get the equivalent of the lowest
sponsor's privileges, which includes a number of email blasts annually, in
exchange for services rendered to the organization, the specifics of which
is Board of Directors' business. Suffice it to say that we get value for
value.
If you don't want to pay VendorRate for the right to see their full
reporting, don't. Simple. Don't whine about it.
Art
Art S. Kagel
Oninit (www.oninit.com)
IIUG Board of Directors (art at (no spam) iiug.org)
Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions
and do not reflect on my employer, Oninit, the IIUG, nor any other
organization with which I am associated either explicitly or implicitly.
Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated
with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities
themselves.
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Ian Michael Gumby <im_gumby at (no spam) hotmail.com>wrote:
Ok,
I understand that the IIUG needs to make some money to cover the short fall
in IBM 'marketing' dollars.
But pimping out the IIUG mailing list to Vendor Rate?
C'mon!
I guess OnePoint (Ron) or Oninit (Paul) either couldn't/wouldn't stump up
the cash for the mailing,
or they didn't meet Stuart's strict requirements. :-)
Seriously, I do think that Vendor Rate is worth $129 a year? I mean no
offense to the company willing to spend $$$ to advertise via the IIUG, but
c'mon lets get real.
Anytime I have had a question about hardware/software, I tend to ask people
that I trust.
(Like posting questions about SSDs here).
Why can't we ask Sun Micro to advertise here? I mean if the EU continues to
block the Oracle deal, that will mean that they will have to find another
suitor. I'm thinking Cisco would be a great fit. ;-)
But hey! What do I know? Its not like Larry Ellison couldn't afford to
bribe the EU decision makers. (No, I'm not saying that he would or that they
would accept the bribe, just that he's got the billions to make it happen..
(Oh and you think IBM is the only company that has senior execs that
get arrested for insider trading or bribing officials? Ok... add Intel to
that list too. 8^0 )
[Its a joke people!]
-G
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| Ian Michael Gumby... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:58 am |
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Ah,
Ok, I guess you could interpret it that way.
I interpret having the IIUG sending out adverts on behalf of 'partners' accomplishing the same goal.
Like I said, I wasn't miffed at the fact the IIUG is doing this. I was miffed at the quality of the company.
I would much rather see something from Oninit or OnePoint. (Not to dis Lester, but I forgot the name of his company.)
And then there's the UK and EU 'partners'. (Is BellMicro a partner?)
Like I said, I find that posting a question here to provide more value and accuracy. If someone has a gripe about a product, or a praise about a product, we'll here it here first. ;-)
-G
From: art.kagel at (no spam) gmail.com
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:22:46 -0500
Subject: Re: ? Prevent bad IT investments?
To: im_gumby at (no spam) hotmail.com
CC: informix-list at (no spam) iiug.org
Actually you said "pimping out the IIUG mailing list".
Art
Art S. Kagel
Oninit (www.oninit.com)
IIUG Board of Directors (art at (no spam) iiug.org)
Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Oninit, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly or implicitly. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves.
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Ian Michael Gumby <im_gumby at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Art,
I never said that they sold the marketing list.
Just that they were pimping vendor rate.
From: art.kagel at (no spam) gmail.com
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:18:35 -0500
Subject: Re: ? Prevent bad IT investments?
To: im_gumby at (no spam) hotmail.com
CC: informix-list at (no spam) iiug.org
Noone's "pimped out" the IIUG mailing list. We NEVER give the list to ANYONE, not even IBM gets that list. Not even the four current and five former BOD members who provide charged services to the community in addition to their volunteer work have access to use that mailing list. The privacy of the IIUG mailing list is sacrosanct.
As for VendorRate and the recent email advertisement, the IIUG sent out that email blast as it does all such emails for our partners and sponsors. VendorRate is an IIUG partner. They get the equivalent of the lowest sponsor's privileges, which includes a number of email blasts annually, in exchange for services rendered to the organization, the specifics of which is Board of Directors' business. Suffice it to say that we get value for value.
If you don't want to pay VendorRate for the right to see their full reporting, don't. Simple. Don't whine about it.
Art
Art S. Kagel
Oninit (www.oninit.com)
IIUG Board of Directors (art at (no spam) iiug.org)
Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Oninit, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly or implicitly. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves.
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Ian Michael Gumby <im_gumby at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Ok,
I understand that the IIUG needs to make some money to cover the short fall in IBM 'marketing' dollars.
But pimping out the IIUG mailing list to Vendor Rate?
C'mon!
I guess OnePoint (Ron) or Oninit (Paul) either couldn't/wouldn't stump up the cash for the mailing,
or they didn't meet Stuart's strict requirements. :-)
Seriously, I do think that Vendor Rate is worth $129 a year? I mean no offense to the company willing to spend $$$ to advertise via the IIUG, but c'mon lets get real.
Anytime I have had a question about hardware/software, I tend to ask people that I trust.
(Like posting questions about SSDs here).
Why can't we ask Sun Micro to advertise here? I mean if the EU continues to block the Oracle deal, that will mean that they will have to find another suitor. I'm thinking Cisco would be a great fit. ;-)
But hey! What do I know? Its not like Larry Ellison couldn't afford to bribe the EU decision makers. (No, I'm not saying that he would or that they would accept the bribe, just that he's got the billions to make it happen.. (Oh and you think IBM is the only company that has senior execs that get arrested for insider trading or bribing officials? Ok... add Intel to that list too. 8^0 )
[Its a joke people!]
-G
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| Neil Truby... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:15 am |
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[Gumby] I never said that they sold the marketing list. Just that they were
pimping vendor rate.
[Art] Actually you said "pimping out the IIUG mailing list".
[Gumby] Ok, I guess you could interpret it that way. I interpret having the
IIUG sending out adverts on behalf of 'partners' accomplishing the same
goal.
Well, it absolutely is not, is it? If the IIUG "pimps" out an advert for a
third party, it retains sole control over who gets the mail, when, and the
third-party has no opportunity for follow-up calls. If the IIUG were to
sell the mailing list itself that's completely different. I know there
would be hell to pay if ever that did happen, and I'm sure it won't.
Quote: And then there's the UK and EU 'partners'. (Is BellMicro a partner?)
Bell Micro is technically an IBM Business Partner - IBM would regard it as
so - but in the real world it wouldn't be considerd as such: it is the OEM
distirbutor for Informix in the UK. That is, it can sell only to resellers
who embed Informix in their applications, not to end users.
Regardless of its status Bell does a lot of very valuable work promoting
Informix in the UK, and is helping to organise a UK Users Group Meeting next
Thursday, 12th November, somewhere North-ish (see here for details:
http://www.maximation.eu/informix/), which I am a bit surprised not to have
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