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casey...
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:46 am
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On Aug 4, 4:49 pm, "J.A. Legris" <jaleg... at (no spam) sympatico.ca> wrote:
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On Aug 4, 1:45 pm, c... at (no spam) kcwc.com (Curt Welch) wrote:
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Therefore any physical system with more than one component is a
candidate for intelligence.

But not any physical system is capable of reinforcement learning
which is Curt's definition of an intelligent system.

JC
 
Don Stockbauer...
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:01 am
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On Aug 5, 3:53 am, "Geek" <inva... at (no spam) invalid.invalid> wrote:
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"casey" <jgkjca... at (no spam) yahoo.com.au> wrote in message

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On Jul 19, 12:23 pm, c... at (no spam) kcwc.com (Curt Welch) wrote:

In your nets you use counters. Very digital.

In your neurons you use discrete atoms and electrons. Very digital

What digit does a single atom represent. "1"?
 
Don Stockbauer...
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:09 am
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On Aug 5, 3:53 am, "Geek" <inva... at (no spam) invalid.invalid> wrote:
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"casey" <jgkjca... at (no spam) yahoo.com.au> wrote in message

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On Jul 19, 12:23 pm, c... at (no spam) kcwc.com (Curt Welch) wrote:

In your nets you use counters. Very digital.

In your neurons you use discrete atoms and electrons. Very digital

Isn't an abacus made of atoms?
 
Geek...
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:53 pm
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"casey" <jgkjcasey at (no spam) yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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On Jul 19, 12:23 pm, c... at (no spam) kcwc.com (Curt Welch) wrote:

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In your nets you use counters. Very digital.

In your neurons you use discrete atoms and electrons. Very digital
 
Don Stockbauer...
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:48 pm
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On Aug 4, 8:51 am, Don Stockbauer <donstockba... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
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On Aug 4, 7:57 am, "J.A. Legris" <jaleg... at (no spam) sympatico.ca> wrote:



On Aug 4, 2:53 am, casey <jgkjca... at (no spam) yahoo.com.au> wrote:

On Aug 3, 10:20 pm, Don Stockbauer <donstockba... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

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Is it a part of a larger system?

Maybe someday, if we achieve success at SETI.  Then communicating
planets around the galaxy might form a galactic brain, a scaled up
version of the global brain.

Actually, who knows or cares anymore?  Back to watering the trees in
this drought.

I am more interested in my own brain than in any global brain.

I'll bet Don would feel the same way:

"I could while away the hours,
Conferrin' with the flowers,
Consultin' with the rain.
And my head I'd be scratchin'
While my thoughts were busy hatchin'
If I only had a brain"

(http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Wizard-of-Oz,-The.html)

So ironical.  I mean, if he didn't have a brain, how could he sing
that song????  Maybe the scarecrow was a robot.

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."

"No, I'm not a bad man.  I'm a very good man.  I'm just a very poor AI
thinker."

"My main aim in this Chapter is to communicate some of the images
which help me to visualize how consciousness arises out of the jungle
of neurons; to communicate a set of intangible intuitions, in the hope
that these intuitions are valuable and may perhaps help others a
little to come to clearer formulations of their own images of what
makes minds run.  I could not hope for more than that my own mind's
blurry images of minds and images should catalyze the formation of
sharper images of minds and images  in other minds."

Douglas R. Hofstadter

"Godel, Escher, Bach", p. 686-687

I think you succeeded, Doug.
 
Don Stockbauer...
Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:18 pm
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On Aug 9, 8:12 am, casey <jgkjca... at (no spam) yahoo.com.au> wrote:
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On Aug 9, 3:23 am, Don Stockbauer <donstockba... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:



You know, the Global Brain is just so gosh-darn important that it
needs to be back up at the top of the list of threads.

What more is there to be said about the Global Brain? What can
its mere neurons have to offer to the debate?

What can 6.7 billion "neurons" say, each at the human level,
interconnected (all interconnected someday, hopefully, many connected
now).

About anything it wants to say, I'd say.
 
Don Stockbauer...
Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:42 pm
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On Aug 9, 1:43 pm, Tim Tyler <seemy... at (no spam) googlemail.com> wrote:
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Don Stockbauer wrote:
What can 6.7 billion "neurons" say, each at the human level,
interconnected (all interconnected someday, hopefully, many connected
now).

See:http://www.google.com/trends/hottrends;-)

So that's what it's talking about! Thanks!
 
Tim Tyler...
Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:43 pm
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Don Stockbauer wrote:

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What can 6.7 billion "neurons" say, each at the human level,
interconnected (all interconnected someday, hopefully, many connected
now).

See: http://www.google.com/trends/hottrends Wink
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Don Stockbauer...
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:45 am
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On Aug 9, 9:31 pm, Sly <S... at (no spam) nowhere.com> wrote:
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Don Stockbauer wrote:
On Aug 9, 8:12 am, casey <jgkjca... at (no spam) yahoo.com.au> wrote:
On Aug 9, 3:23 am, Don Stockbauer <donstockba... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

You know, the Global Brain is just so gosh-darn important that it
needs to be back up at the top of the list of threads.
What more is there to be said about the Global Brain? What can
its mere neurons have to offer to the debate?

What can 6.7 billion "neurons" say, each at the human level,
interconnected (all interconnected someday, hopefully, many connected
now).

About anything it wants to say, I'd say.

Ask (Asimov's) Gaiahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_%28Foundation_universe%29

The Gaia Hypothesis, The Global Brain Theory - purdy close to each
other.
 
Sly...
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:15 am
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Don Stockbauer wrote:
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On Aug 9, 8:12 am, casey <jgkjca... at (no spam) yahoo.com.au> wrote:
On Aug 9, 3:23 am, Don Stockbauer <donstockba... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:



You know, the Global Brain is just so gosh-darn important that it
needs to be back up at the top of the list of threads.
What more is there to be said about the Global Brain? What can
its mere neurons have to offer to the debate?

What can 6.7 billion "neurons" say, each at the human level,
interconnected (all interconnected someday, hopefully, many connected
now).

About anything it wants to say, I'd say.

Ask (Asimov's) Gaia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_%28Foundation_universe%29
 
Devine...
Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:13 pm
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Sly wrote:
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casey wrote:
On Jul 21, 11:31 am, c... at (no spam) kcwc.com (Curt Welch) wrote:


I hadn't heard of the electrical synapse.

I have. The suggestion is they work in conjunction with
inhibitory neurons to synchronize ...

Some seem to work in synchronizing different parts of the cortex (or of
the brain) ; others directly command emergency situation reactions.

quite right
 
Don Stockbauer...
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:35 pm
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On Oct 17, 1:13 pm, Devine <dev... at (no spam) lab.b-care.net> wrote:
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Sly wrote:
casey wrote:
On Jul 21, 11:31 am, c... at (no spam) kcwc.com (Curt Welch) wrote:

I hadn't heard of the electrical synapse.

I have. The suggestion is they work in conjunction with
inhibitory neurons to synchronize ...

Some seem to work in synchronizing different parts of the cortex (or of
the brain) ; others directly command emergency situation reactions.

quite right

You're bloody well right.
 
Don Stockbauer...
Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:19 pm
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On Oct 18, 8:35 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
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On Oct 17, 1:13 pm, Devine <dev... at (no spam) lab.b-care.net> wrote:

Sly wrote:
casey wrote:
On Jul 21, 11:31 am, c... at (no spam) kcwc.com (Curt Welch) wrote:

I hadn't heard of the electrical synapse.

I have. The suggestion is they work in conjunction with
inhibitory neurons to synchronize ...

Some seem to work in synchronizing different parts of the cortex (or of
the brain) ; others directly command emergency situation reactions.

quite right

You're bloody well right.

You've got a bloody right to say...
 
 
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