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| casey... |
 Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:00 pm |
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On Sep 8, 6:43 am, Wolf K <weki... at (no spam) sympatico.ca> wrote:
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I've modified Shaw's famous dictum to:
"Those can teach, teach. Those can't teach, do."
First realised that Shaw got it wrong when I watched
fellow teachers coach athletes who outperformed them.
The ability to be an effective teacher is a skill in
itself and is separate from the skill being taught.
Quote: In a way, our desire for AI is a desire for machines
that will outperform us. Strange ambition for a life
form.
It is not so much a hope that AI will outperform us for
its own sake it is a hope of using a machine to solve
problems we can't solve ourselves due to a limitation
in our capacities. That is why we use computers to do
things we can't do as fast even if at this stage we
tell them how to do it. Just as we made use of horses
to supplement our strength, and now we use engines,
we also use machines to supplement our ability to
process information.
My real interest is actually in what trying to get a
machine to think tells us about ourselves. We are a
thinking process despite what a certain other person
thinks due to his poor powers of abstraction. The
physical matter we are composed of at any point in time
keeps changing, all that continues is a process.
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| Curt Welch... |
| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:12 am |
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casey <jgkjcasey at (no spam) yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Quote: On Sep 7, 6:11 am, Wolf K <weki... at (no spam) sympatico.ca> wrote:
What no longer amazes me, having accepted that we humans are
nothing if not inconsistent, is the attitude that a teacher's
use of wrong methods is to blame for student failure, but
that the student's hard work and talent explain success.
If one teacher's students are consistently more successful
than another teacher's students over many years in the same
subject area I think that flags a problem.
JC
Or a success! :)
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| John Hasenkam... |
| Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:14 am |
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"Wolf K" <wekirch at (no spam) sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Quote: casey wrote:
On Sep 7, 6:11 am, Wolf K <weki... at (no spam) sympatico.ca> wrote:
outperform us. Strange ambition for a life form.
Not for a lazy life form.
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| Wolf K... |
| Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:37 pm |
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John Hasenkam wrote:
Quote: "Wolf K" <wekirch at (no spam) sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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casey wrote:
On Sep 7, 6:11 am, Wolf K <weki... at (no spam) sympatico.ca> wrote:
outperform us. Strange ambition for a life form.
Not for a lazy life form.
Cheers,
Wolf K.
That theme/motif been dealt with in SF, as far back as the 1950s IIRC.
One nice little ironic story from ca 1960 had robots do/make everything.
The hero discovers that he likes making things - starts with model ships
and trains, moves on to furniture and TV sets, etc. The robots make and
deliver kits for him to build, which slowly get more and more complex,
finally requiring a garage full of hand and machine tools. the last kit
delivered is for - a robot.
The central planning computer's mandate was to make life better for
humans....
Hehe
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| Zorg... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:14 pm |
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Don Stockbauer wrote:
Quote: On Aug 24, 3:51 pm, casey <jgkjca... at (no spam) yahoo.com.au> wrote:
On Aug 24, 8:00 am, c... at (no spam) kcwc.com (Curt Welch) wrote:
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Only when the brain is sensing physical behaviors in
the universe which other humans around us can't sense
at the time, do we call it "mind" and "soul". It's
very limited and specific, and it's not the entire
sensing system, and it's not just any body operation.
All seeing is in the brain including seeing hand waving.
I see a lot of hand waving going on here. |
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