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| Hlafordlaes... |
 Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:55 pm |
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Hi,
I last programmed in PICK on an Ultimate mini back in the late 80's
and early 90's. I am thinking of brushing up on my PICK skills and am
wondering:
1) If you think there is any life left in PICK: are there any sales of
PICK-based systems to *new* client companies these days, or is it all
legacy support?
2) What PICK vendor offering you personally recommend (support,
financial health of vendor)
Thanks. |
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| edclark... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:47 pm |
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#1: I know that there are software vendors with multivalue-based
applications who are actively selling their apps to new end users.
#2: I'm biased, but I would definitely have to recommend Intersystem's
Caché database. It's an actively developed and enhanced modern product
from a healthy company that gives you many more features out of the
box than any other vender's offering.
On Sep 7, 9:55 am, Hlafordlaes <hlafordl... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Hi,
I last programmed in PICK on an Ultimate mini back in the late 80's
and early 90's. I am thinking of brushing up on my PICK skills and am
wondering:
1) If you think there is any life left in PICK: are there any sales of
PICK-based systems to *new* client companies these days, or is it all
legacy support?
2) What PICK vendor offering you personally recommend (support,
financial health of vendor)
Thanks. |
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| Kevin Powick... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:38 pm |
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On Sep 7, 10:47 am, edclark <edcl... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
Quote: I'm biased, but I would definitely have to recommend Intersystem's
Caché database. It's an actively developed and enhanced modern product
from a healthy company that gives you many more features out of the
box than any other vender's offering.
Except that Cache is not Pick.  It's MUMPS with recently added
multi-value extensions. There's nothing wrong with that. As you
said, it comes with a lot of features, is actively developed, and the
company is in good shape.
Personally, my bias is towards OpenQM. Very Pick like and has quite a
few compatibility settings to give you different "Flavours" of Pick.
I.e. D3, Universe, etc. Great support. Good pricing, including free
developer versions.
http://www.openqm.com
Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/openqm/topics
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Kevin Powick |
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| dawn... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:50 pm |
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On Sep 7, 8:55 am, Hlafordlaes <hlafordl... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Hi,
I last programmed in PICK on an Ultimate mini back in the late 80's
and early 90's. I am thinking of brushing up on my PICK skills and am
wondering:
1) If you think there is any life left in PICK: are there any sales of
PICK-based systems to *new* client companies these days, or is it all
legacy support?
I am writing a new software offering (software as a service) using a
PICK, aka MV, aka MultiValue platform.
Quote: 2) What PICK vendor offering you personally recommend (support,
financial health of vendor)
I am writing the software using InterSystems Cache'. I have researched
this area heavily and would not choose any other MV vendor to start a
new system with at this time, although I can see sticking with one you
have already invested in if it has the features you like. --dawn
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| dawn... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:59 pm |
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On Sep 7, 11:38 am, Kevin Powick <kpow... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Sep 7, 10:47 am, edclark <edcl... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
I'm biased, but I would definitely have to recommend Intersystem's
Caché database. It's an actively developed and enhanced modern product
from a healthy company that gives you many more features out of the
box than any other vender's offering.
Except that Cache is not Pick. It's MUMPS with recently added
multi-value extensions.
It is "not PICK" in a similar way to jBASE being "not PICK" perhaps,
in that the p-machine in which it runs is a bit different and MV is
integrated into a MUMPS environment. It is fast. The mvquery language
generates SQL, which is the fastest SQL I have seen inside or outside
of the MV space (I have done no benchmarks of it, but others have).
So, if you think of PICK as an OS, it is not PICK, If you think of it
as the physical storage on the disk, it is not PICK, but if you think
of it as the data model (riding on top of a broader data model in this
case) and/or languages, it is a MultiValue data model. It has MVBASIC
and the MV query language, with SQL that outperforms MV query (only
slightly bz mvquery gen's SQL), an AJAX framework, a SOAP
implementation, and api's for lots more than the average MV
environment. --dawn
Quote: There's nothing wrong with that. As you
said, it comes with a lot of features, is actively developed, and the
company is in good shape.
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| Hlafordlaes... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:20 pm |
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Thanks everyone. Now taking a look at the two suggested products. Glad
I came here to ask; had been perusing other PICK-like products that
all seemed in their death throes.
Looks like the field has moved way beyond dumping a DOS session screen
capture in order to move data outta PICK (yes, I date from IT B.C.).
H. |
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| Kevin Powick... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:38 pm |
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On Sep 7, 12:50 pm, dawn <dawnwolth... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: I am writing the software using... Insert one of the following:
QM, Cache, jBASE, Reality, D3, Universe, Unidata, etc...
Quote: I have researched
this area heavily and would not choose any other MV vendor to start a
new system with at this time
You are going to get a lot of opinions like the above. The point is
that the MV market is actually not dead, there is quite a bit of
selection, and each of the products will have aspects that may be more
suited to your development needs than others.
All you can do is research the various offerings to see which best
falls in lines with your needs.
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| Ross Ferris... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:02 pm |
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I believe their is plenty of life left in "pick" --> and unlike COBOL
(which has been "dieing" for at least 20 years now!), there ARE new
"pick" sales being made ... even replacing "mainstream" SQL products.
However, the bigger question I suppose is "what is the end game you
are looking at?"
Are you looking to develop new software yourself? Seek employment with
an active vendor? an end user? Chase support for any "orphan" sites
out there.
If you are looking at developing (from scratch), that potentially
represents a major investment in time & money and is a more long term
proposition. With mosty of the others, the "vendor" isn't necessarily
important, as that is likely to be already entrenched.
The current role call of vendors includes :
TigerLogic (pka Pick Systems & Raining Data) with "D3", the latest
incarnation of "pick", and mvBase (General Automation & Sequoa
heritage)
Northgate Information Systems with "Reality" (a name that has been
around since your BC background)
IBM (Universe & Unidata Databases), typically referred to as "U2" and
IBM is a brand with market visibility
InterSystems with Cache - (pka MUMPS) a "new" entrant into the "pick
world", but historically a close cousin
Revelation - you may have been aware of the original DOS product, but
it ain't Kansas anymore!!!
jBase - original product came out around the time you were exiting the
scene I believe
openQM, developed by Ladybridge Systems - everyone raves over support
and responsiveness!
UniVision - produced by EDP in the UK, sold by Via SYstems in USA
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| eppick77... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:37 pm |
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On Sep 7, 9:55 am, Hlafordlaes <hlafordl... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Hi,
I last programmed in PICK on an Ultimate mini back in the late 80's
and early 90's. I am thinking of brushing up on my PICK skills and am
wondering:
1) If you think there is any life left in PICK: are there any sales of
PICK-based systems to *new* client companies these days, or is it all
legacy support?
2) What PICK vendor offering you personally recommend (support,
financial health of vendor)
Thanks.
We are using QM and are quite happy with it. We also just added 2 new
programmers. One with some web development experience but no Pick
background and the other is totally green - no programming experience
at all.
Eugene |
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| Tronic... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:40 pm |
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On 7 Sep, 14:55, Hlafordlaes <hlafordl... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Hi,
I last programmed in PICK on an Ultimate mini back in the late 80's
and early 90's. I am thinking of brushing up on my PICK skills and am
wondering:
1) If you think there is any life left in PICK: are there any sales of
PICK-based systems to *new* client companies these days, or is it all
legacy support?
2) What PICK vendor offering you personally recommend (support,
financial health of vendor)
Thanks.
openqm |
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| Symeonb... |
| Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:09 am |
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Personally i would recommend IBM U2 - it has the name, and a host of
toolsets for development including java, .net etc access to other
databases socket/html/soap/xml apis etc. As a full set i think they
give more than anyone else. You can get the personal edition from the
site (either unidata or universe) |
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