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Fred McKenzie...
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 11:52 pm
Guest
I'm contemplating getting one of the "Air Cards" that plug into a USB
port, and provide high speed internet access via the cellular phone
system. Plans are available for about the same price from three or four
cellular providers.

Other than high cost, the only down side I've heard of is a data limit.
The maximum seems to be 5 GB per month. If you exceed that limit, your
bill can be surprisingly high.

What experience have you had with these USB Air Cards? Is the 5 GB
limit a problem in actual use? Is speed adequate for downloading files
such as a 200 MB OS update?

Fred
 
Jolly Roger...
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 12:03 am
Guest
In article <fmmck-75A970.15522801082009 at (no spam) nntp.aioe.org>,
Fred McKenzie <fmmck at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

Quote:
I'm contemplating getting one of the "Air Cards" that plug into a USB
port, and provide high speed internet access via the cellular phone
system. Plans are available for about the same price from three or four
cellular providers.

Other than high cost, the only down side I've heard of is a data limit.
The maximum seems to be 5 GB per month. If you exceed that limit, your
bill can be surprisingly high.

What experience have you had with these USB Air Cards? Is the 5 GB
limit a problem in actual use? Is speed adequate for downloading files
such as a 200 MB OS update?

Personally, I'd go with ExpressCard over USB.

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JR
 
nospam...
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:53 am
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In article <fmmck-75A970.15522801082009 at (no spam) nntp.aioe.org>, Fred McKenzie
<fmmck at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

Quote:
I'm contemplating getting one of the "Air Cards" that plug into a USB
port, and provide high speed internet access via the cellular phone
system. Plans are available for about the same price from three or four
cellular providers.

Other than high cost, the only down side I've heard of is a data limit.
The maximum seems to be 5 GB per month. If you exceed that limit, your
bill can be surprisingly high.

i think some carriers (tmobile?) throttle bandwidth when you hit the
limit rather than charge for the excess. still, 5 gig is quite a bit
unless you constantly download stuff or watch a lot of movies (even
youtube) on line.

you might try using a bandwidth monitor and see exactly how much you
use in a typical month to get an idea.

Quote:
What experience have you had with these USB Air Cards? Is the 5 GB
limit a problem in actual use? Is speed adequate for downloading files
such as a 200 MB OS update?

the speed not going to be the same as wired cable/dsl, especially
something like fios, but it's certainly very usable. you don't say if
you are going to be using this while traveling or as a replacement for
home dsl, but not all areas and carriers have decent 3g coverage.
 
nospam...
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:53 am
Guest
In article <jollyroger-568EBC.15033401082009 at (no spam) news.individual.net>,
Jolly Roger <jollyroger at (no spam) pobox.com> wrote:

Quote:
Personally, I'd go with ExpressCard over USB.

i wouldn't because apple is removing expresscard from the portables,
and if he doesn't have it now, he won't have it with his next portable.
plus with usb, he could use it with more computers, even a desktop.
 
Fred McKenzie...
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:06 am
Guest
In article <010820091453044028%nospam at (no spam) nospam.invalid>,
nospam <nospam at (no spam) nospam.invalid> wrote:

Quote:
In article <jollyroger-568EBC.15033401082009 at (no spam) news.individual.net>,
Jolly Roger <jollyroger at (no spam) pobox.com> wrote:

Personally, I'd go with ExpressCard over USB.

i wouldn't because apple is removing expresscard from the portables,
and if he doesn't have it now, he won't have it with his next portable.
plus with usb, he could use it with more computers, even a desktop.

Nospam & Jolly-

My plan would be to have the AirCard for all internet access, rather
than having separate wired access at both home and my Mom's house.
Although I think an ExpressCard would be a better technical solution, I
need it to work on computers that do not support it.

And you're right. My old PowerBook G4 is due for an upgrade!

Do you know of any cellular carriers that have a Usenet Newsgroup server
included in their plan?

Fred
 
nospam...
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:15 am
Guest
In article <fmmck-D3E69D.19064101082009 at (no spam) nntp.aioe.org>, Fred McKenzie
<fmmck at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

Quote:
Do you know of any cellular carriers that have a Usenet Newsgroup server
included in their plan?

no, but there are plenty of third party providers, and if all you want
is text groups, some are free.
 
Steven...
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:33 am
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Fred McKenzie wrote:
Quote:
In article <010820091453044028%nospam at (no spam) nospam.invalid>,
nospam <nospam at (no spam) nospam.invalid> wrote:

In article <jollyroger-568EBC.15033401082009 at (no spam) news.individual.net>,
Jolly Roger <jollyroger at (no spam) pobox.com> wrote:

Personally, I'd go with ExpressCard over USB.
i wouldn't because apple is removing expresscard from the portables,
and if he doesn't have it now, he won't have it with his next portable.
plus with usb, he could use it with more computers, even a desktop.

Nospam & Jolly-

My plan would be to have the AirCard for all internet access, rather
than having separate wired access at both home and my Mom's house.
Although I think an ExpressCard would be a better technical solution, I
need it to work on computers that do not support it.

And you're right. My old PowerBook G4 is due for an upgrade!

Do you know of any cellular carriers that have a Usenet Newsgroup server
included in their plan?

Fred
If you need a good Usenet server try this; news.eternal-september.org.

ATT dropped their groups and this one works fine with Thunderbird.


--
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(c) 2009 I Kill Spammers, inc, A Rot in Hell. Co.
 
tlvp...
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:29 am
Guest
On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:52:28 -0400, Fred McKenzie <fmmck at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

Quote:
I'm contemplating getting one of the "Air Cards" that plug into a USB
port, and provide high speed internet access via the cellular phone
system. Plans are available for about the same price from three or four
cellular providers.

Other than high cost, the only down side I've heard of is a data limit.
The maximum seems to be 5 GB per month. If you exceed that limit, your
bill can be surprisingly high.

What experience have you had with these USB Air Cards? Is the 5 GB
limit a problem in actual use? Is speed adequate for downloading files
such as a 200 MB OS update?

Fred

For travel in Poland, I've had great success with a Sierra Wireless,
at&t-branded (but unlocked), AirCard 881 in PCMCIA form. The Polish
carrier Orange (PL) sells prepaid data SIMs, and local news kiosks
sell recharge codes in whatever amount you require. In Warsaw, where
full-speed 3G is available, data rates as high as 7.2 Mb/sec. are
possible, in theory, though in practice I got closer to 2-3 Mb/sec.,
still considerably better than my at-home DSL link with 0.768 Mb/sec.

I doubt that 7.2 Mb/sec. is widely available here in the US, though,
and I've never actually tried using the AirCard here.

Rumor has it that the USB versions of the AirCard are less subject to
overheating disasters than are the PCMCIA versions, though I must say
my own PCMCIA AirCard never once manifested any signs of overheating.

Cheers, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP
 
Tom Harrington...
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:15 am
Guest
In article <jollyroger-568EBC.15033401082009 at (no spam) news.individual.net>,
Jolly Roger <jollyroger at (no spam) pobox.com> wrote:

Quote:
In article <fmmck-75A970.15522801082009 at (no spam) nntp.aioe.org>,
Fred McKenzie <fmmck at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

I'm contemplating getting one of the "Air Cards" that plug into a USB
port, and provide high speed internet access via the cellular phone
system. Plans are available for about the same price from three or four
cellular providers.

Other than high cost, the only down side I've heard of is a data limit.
The maximum seems to be 5 GB per month. If you exceed that limit, your
bill can be surprisingly high.

What experience have you had with these USB Air Cards? Is the 5 GB
limit a problem in actual use? Is speed adequate for downloading files
such as a 200 MB OS update?

Personally, I'd go with ExpressCard over USB.

I'd go for a MiFi over either one. It's a cell network to WiFi bridge,
so your Mac would connect to it like any other WiFi access point. Plus,
you can serve several computers (five, I think) at once from the same
device. I think the service is about the same but it seems a lot more
flexible-- especially if someday you replace your Mac with one that
doesn't have ExpressCard.

--
Tom "Tom" Harrington
Independent Mac OS X developer since 2002
http://www.atomicbird.com/
 
Jolly Roger...
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:15 am
Guest
In article <tph-AD7826.22523702082009 at (no spam) localhost>,
Tom Harrington <tph at (no spam) pcisys.no.spam.dammit.net> wrote:

Quote:
In article <jollyroger-568EBC.15033401082009 at (no spam) news.individual.net>,
Jolly Roger <jollyroger at (no spam) pobox.com> wrote:

In article <fmmck-75A970.15522801082009 at (no spam) nntp.aioe.org>,
Fred McKenzie <fmmck at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

I'm contemplating getting one of the "Air Cards" that plug into a USB
port, and provide high speed internet access via the cellular phone
system. Plans are available for about the same price from three or four
cellular providers.

Other than high cost, the only down side I've heard of is a data limit.
The maximum seems to be 5 GB per month. If you exceed that limit, your
bill can be surprisingly high.

What experience have you had with these USB Air Cards? Is the 5 GB
limit a problem in actual use? Is speed adequate for downloading files
such as a 200 MB OS update?

Personally, I'd go with ExpressCard over USB.

I'd go for a MiFi over either one. It's a cell network to WiFi bridge,
so your Mac would connect to it like any other WiFi access point. Plus,
you can serve several computers (five, I think) at once from the same
device. I think the service is about the same but it seems a lot more
flexible-- especially if someday you replace your Mac with one that
doesn't have ExpressCard.

That sounds really nice!

--
Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me.
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM
filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting
messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google
Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts.

JR
 
Fred McKenzie...
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:16 am
Guest
In article <tph-AD7826.22523702082009 at (no spam) localhost>,
Tom Harrington <tph at (no spam) pcisys.no.spam.dammit.net> wrote:

Quote:
I'd go for a MiFi over either one. It's a cell network to WiFi bridge,
so your Mac would connect to it like any other WiFi access point. Plus,
you can serve several computers (five, I think) at once from the same
device. I think the service is about the same but it seems a lot more
flexible

Tom-

I saw one at the local Verizon Wireless store. It might be a good idea
if one computer could be connected to the internet via a USB cable to
the MiFi unit. Otherwise, a USB AirCard connection could be shared by
connecting an Ethernet cable from the main computer to the WAN port on
an AirPort base station and turning on internet sharing over Ethernet (I
think).

My rationale is that for MiFi, two hops are involved. I think it would
take longer to send data from the cellular system to the MiFi base
station and then to the computer, than to send from the cellular system
directly to the computer. If visitors needed to connect via WiFi, then
a slower two hop connection would be an acceptable compromise.

Fred
 
Tom Harrington...
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:13 pm
Guest
In article <fmmck-CB021B.01002804082009 at (no spam) nntp.aioe.org>,
Fred McKenzie <fmmck at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

Quote:
In article <tph-AD7826.22523702082009 at (no spam) localhost>,
Tom Harrington <tph at (no spam) pcisys.no.spam.dammit.net> wrote:

I'd go for a MiFi over either one. It's a cell network to WiFi bridge,
so your Mac would connect to it like any other WiFi access point. Plus,
you can serve several computers (five, I think) at once from the same
device. I think the service is about the same but it seems a lot more
flexible

Tom-

I saw one at the local Verizon Wireless store. It might be a good idea
if one computer could be connected to the internet via a USB cable to
the MiFi unit. Otherwise, a USB AirCard connection could be shared by
connecting an Ethernet cable from the main computer to the WAN port on
an AirPort base station and turning on internet sharing over Ethernet (I
think).

My rationale is that for MiFi, two hops are involved. I think it would
take longer to send data from the cellular system to the MiFi base
station and then to the computer, than to send from the cellular system
directly to the computer. If visitors needed to connect via WiFi, then
a slower two hop connection would be an acceptable compromise.

That may be, though it'd be no worse than any other WiFi access point.

FWIW I know someone who switched from a USB adapter to the MiFi. Among
the advantages of the switch was that the USB dongle would typically
take a minute or so to wake up and connect to the network, while the
MiFi was online almost instantly. And since the laptop wouldn't go into
his bag with the USB adapter, it had to be removed every time he put the
computer away.

Both are probably good solutions. I'd go with the MiFi, you may have
different criteria than me.

--
Tom "Tom" Harrington
Independent Mac OS X developer since 2002
http://www.atomicbird.com/
 
Fred McKenzie...
Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:07 pm
Guest
In article <fmmck-D3E69D.19064101082009 at (no spam) nntp.aioe.org>,
Fred McKenzie <fmmck at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

Quote:
My plan would be to have the AirCard for all internet access, rather
than having separate wired access at both home and my Mom's house.
Although I think an ExpressCard would be a better technical solution, I
need it to work on computers that do not support it.

And you're right. My old PowerBook G4 is due for an upgrade!

Do you know of any cellular carriers that have a Usenet Newsgroup server
included in their plan?

I went ahead and got the Verizon AirCard. I got the white one with the
swivel/rotate USB connector, in spite of a rumor about a potential
mechanical failure.

So far, I'm a bit disappointed. Downloads are just a little faster than
dial-up, but that may be related to poor cellular coverage where I live.
By using the USB extension that came with it, the modem can be moved
around to find a better spot resulting in faster response.

My main disappointment is with the apparent inability to share the
internet connection over WiFi. There may be a way, but everything I've
tried has failed. The Mac's AirPort operation is affected by the
presence of the AirCard and/or its driver. I've gotten wireless
printing to work, but Time Machine delays its backup until the AirCard
is disabled.

I now hope to share over Ethernet to an AirPort Express, but haven't hit
the right combination yet. The trouble seems to be that neither the
computer nor the AirPort is assigning a DHCP IP address to the other via
Ethernet. Manually assigned IPs may make it work.

I see now that the "MiFi" version with built-in WiFi may have been a
better choice, but that would pose additional problems getting my
wireless printing to work with it!

Also, there is no E-Mail account or Newsgroup service supplied, only the
modem.

Fred
 
Fred McKenzie...
Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:24 pm
Guest
In article <fmmck-F1E9FE.14073608082009 at (no spam) nntp.aioe.org>,
Fred McKenzie <fmmck at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

Quote:
I've gotten wireless
printing to work, but Time Machine delays its backup until the AirCard
is disabled.

I was mistaken - wireless printing does NOT work until the Verizon
program has quit and the Networks Location has been changed from Verizon
back to Automatic.

This seems to be weird. Airport can be turned on while connected to
Verizon, but there is no network selected. Attempting to select the
usual AirPort base station does not work. The AirPort remains Not
Connected in the Network System Preference.

With self-assigned IPs, sharing the internet connection over Ethernet to
an AirPort Express, the main computer can be pinged from the wireless
client, but there is no connection to the internet.

There is probably some simple thing I'm overlooking. When sharing a
dial-up internet connection over AirPort, it just works. The Mac shares
the connection and assigns a DHCP IP address to the wireless clients. I
would think that sharing over Ethernet would work as well.

Fred
 
 
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