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John B. Matthews...
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 8:01 pm
 
Neil McAllister: Geriatric Java struggles to stay relevant:

<http://infoworld.com/d/developer-world/geriatric-java-struggles-stay-relevant-700>

Discussion:

<http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/04/03/0147255/The-Struggle-To-Keep-Java-Relevant>

Comment: The word "geriatric" generally refers to the health care of
mature people. Outside such contexts, the usage may be considered
inflammatory.

Quote: "I would like to see people with piercings doing Java
programming..."--Jeet Kaul, Oracle's vice president for client software

Disclaimer: I have no decorative piercings.

--
John B. Matthews
trashgod at gmail dot com
<http://sites.google.com/site/drjohnbmatthews>
 
Roedy Green...
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 11:40 pm
 
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 12:01:57 -0400, "John B. Matthews"
<nospam at (no spam) nospam.invalid> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who
said :

Quote:
Neil McAllister: Geriatric Java struggles to stay relevant:

http://infoworld.com/d/developer-world/geriatric-java-struggles-stay-relevant-700

What even comes close to the JVM and class libraries for cross
platform coding?

Java the language could use some streamlining, but that evolution
might best be done with SCIDS, not trying to maintain databases of
structured information (programs) manually in text files.

see http://mindprod.com/project/scid.html

Programs are best modeled by 3D visual structures, not linear streams
of characters.
--
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
http://mindprod.com

By 2009, computers will disappear. Displays will be written directly onto our retinas by devices in our eyeglasses and contact lenses.
~ Ray Kurzweil (born: 1948-02-12 age: 62)
 
Daniel Pitts...
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:16 am
 
On 4/3/2010 12:40 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
Quote:
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 12:01:57 -0400, "John B. Matthews"
nospam at (no spam) nospam.invalid> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who
said :

Neil McAllister: Geriatric Java struggles to stay relevant:

http://infoworld.com/d/developer-world/geriatric-java-struggles-stay-relevant-700

What even comes close to the JVM and class libraries for cross
platform coding?

Java the language could use some streamlining, but that evolution
might best be done with SCIDS, not trying to maintain databases of
structured information (programs) manually in text files.

see http://mindprod.com/project/scid.html

Programs are best modeled by 3D visual structures, not linear streams
of characters.
I have had some idea's in that regard. Nothing as tangible as what

you've put together. I'll have to read your essay more closely.

In the mean time, have you seen Code Bubbles?
<http://www.cs.brown.edu/people/acb/codebubbles_site.htm>
It may still be fundamentally text files, but it does add some useful
visualization that seems novel.

Also relevant is IntelliJ Hierarchical views, which can show
call-hierarchies, method implementation hierarchies, and class
hierarchies with a nice navigation UI.
--
Daniel Pitts' Tech Blog: <http://virtualinfinity.net/wordpress/>
 
geoff...
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:20 am
 
Quote:
What even comes close to the JVM and class libraries for cross
platform coding?

I remember when java was coming online, folks would go to the Smalltalk
forums and post messages following the pattern, java = good, st = bad.

It did not matter if the person knew what s/he was talking about or if
mis-information was posted, as long as the above pattern was followed.

I've heard some say that java will be the next cobol and others say they are
opting for simpler environments like php and/or python.

Either way, as Oracle screws the pooch on java, more and more comments like
above will be out in the public, and people like yourself will be defending
the use of java.

Before, the java folks attacked st, now it is your turn.

--g
 
Lew...
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:05 am
 
geoff wrote:
Quote:
Either way, as Oracle screws the pooch on java [sic],

Just how exactly do you assess that Oracle is screwing the pooch on Java?
They seem to be doing a fine job with it so far, and their announced
intentions show no sign of them heading in a bad direction that I have seen.

--
Lew
 
geoff...
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:16 am
 
Quote:
Just how exactly do you assess that Oracle is screwing the pooch on Java?

Read the OP's link but more importantly, people/managers change and
company/product directions change. Examples:

1. Google takes over deja-news, which everyone thought was a good idea at
the time but the newsgroup search function is pretty worthless today.

2. One company I worked for, the VP told me that 'City A' will be the main
central point for 'product A' and I should move there. About 1.5 years
later, people started leaving the company and eventually a new CEO came in.
The new CEO closed the 'City A' facility within a year and sent the product
to China.

My guess is Oracle will make Java more Oracle centric and why not? They
have a competitor that sells db/2 and uses java. Why should Oracle make it
easy on them?

Over the next several years, comments, like the one in the OP's message,
will increase, so, whether you want to admit or not, your turn is here.

However, sales people usually inject themselves high in the chain of command
and make the sale (or try to) based on financial merit, not technical merit.
After the sale is made, the technical people have no choice but to praise
the non-technical manager for his/her excellent decisions.

--g
 
Roedy Green...
Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 5:17 am
 
On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:05:02 -0400, Lew <noone at (no spam) lewscanon.com> wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

Quote:

Just how exactly do you assess that Oracle is screwing the pooch on Java?
They seem to be doing a fine job with it so far, and their announced
intentions show no sign of them heading in a bad direction that I have seen.

I agree. They seem to have behaved themselves better than I expected
so far.
--
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
http://mindprod.com

Pfizer’s world wide patents on Viagra will expire over the period 2010 to 2013. This will launch an avalanche of cheap generics. Wrigley has even patented a chewing gum containing generic Viagra.
 
Leonardo Azpurua...
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:46 pm
 
"John B. Matthews" <nospam at (no spam) nospam.invalid> escribió en el mensaje
news:nospam-3BC308.12015703042010 at (no spam) news.aioe.org...
Quote:
Neil McAllister: Geriatric Java struggles to stay relevant:

http://infoworld.com/d/developer-world/geriatric-java-struggles-stay-relevant-700

Discussion:

http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/04/03/0147255/The-Struggle-To-Keep-Java-Relevant

Comment: The word "geriatric" generally refers to the health care of
mature people. Outside such contexts, the usage may be considered
inflammatory.

Quote: "I would like to see people with piercings doing Java
programming..."--Jeet Kaul, Oracle's vice president for client software

Disclaimer: I have no decorative piercings.

It is a pity that so many trends in the software industry are induced by
farts that equate long standing stability to old age decay.

If they really want innovation, they should worry about giving developers
stable tools so that we can produce new software, instead of continuously
producing new tools at a pace that only leave programmers time to learn how
to use the new garbage.

Java is just fine.
 
 
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