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| Skybuck... |
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| The Central Screwtinizer... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:15 am |
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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:26:07 -0700 (PDT), Skybuck <skybuck2000 at (no spam) hotmail.com>
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[...] otherwise I will go nuts !
That ship already sailed long ago, son... |
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| Skybuck... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:24 am |
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On Oct 31, 10:24 am, "SteveH" <steve.houghREM... at (no spam) THISblueyonder.co.uk>
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Quote: Skybuckwrote:
Hello,
I have taken some pictures to show you guys and to get some response
from what you think killed it... (I am pretty convinced it washeat
All those pictures show is that you live in a dusty environment and either
don't have air filters on your PC, or don't clean it enough.
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SteveH
Which gives me a new interesting theory:
The Scythe Zipang is a top down cooler... which could mean it blew
dust into the memory chips from above... and somehow that tiny little
bit of dust caused a short circuit in the memory chip ! ;)
Bye,
Skybuck. |
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| Skybuck... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:11 am |
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Another theory/hypothesis which I am slighty worried about is the
following:
"Water vapor from the dust filters was blown towards the memory chips
and was blown into the memory chips which caused a short circuit".
Not so long ago I cleaned the pc-case dust filters while the pc was
running... I decided not to dry the dust filters thoroughly because a
kid on youtube also didn't try them thoroughly... I just made sure
most of the moisture was gone... just little bit of moisture was left.
So I wonder if it's possible for tiny little micro drupplets of water
to float through the air and kill a chip ?!?
To me this seems unlikely but reality is usually more strange than
fantasy ! ;)
One last theory/hypothesis which I already wrote about in the past is:
"pc is not grounded, and me touching pc causes static electricic
feedback into the pc, since motherboard(s) is/are known to have some
leakage, so reversed path seems plausible".
I will probably call an electrician to check out and change the power
sockets with "grounding power sockets"... I am curious if he will
discovery anything about the power sockets... like maybe no grounding
wire present :)
Bye,
Skybuck. |
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| Toolpackinmama... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:17 pm |
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Skybuck wrote:
Quote: Not so long ago I cleaned the pc-case dust filters while the pc was
running... I decided not to dry the dust filters thoroughly because a
kid on youtube also didn't try them thoroughly...
Is this guy for real? Or is this some kind of parody, like SPINALTAP? |
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| larry moe 'n curly... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:11 am |
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Skybuck wrote:
Quote: The Scythe Zipang is a top down cooler... which could mean it blew
dust into the memory chips from above... and somehow that tiny little
bit of dust caused a short circuit in the memory chip ! 
Not unless the computer was next to a busy metal lathe or milling
machine. |
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| Skybuck Flying... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:57 am |
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"Toolpackinmama" <philnblanc at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hcjjn1$j0e$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
Quote: Skybuck wrote:
Not so long ago I cleaned the pc-case dust filters while the pc was
running... I decided not to dry the dust filters thoroughly because a
kid on youtube also didn't try them thoroughly...
Is this guy for real? Or is this some kind of parody, like SPINALTAP?
Real, can't find the video of the kid...
But search for antec 1200 and you'll see plenty of people washing their dust
filters with water ! ;)
Makes ya wonder doesn't it ! :)
Bye,
Skybuck. |
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| Skybuck Flying... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:15 am |
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"Norman Peelman" <npeelman at (no spam) cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4aee4a70$0$5118$9a6e19ea at (no spam) unlimited.newshosting.com...
Quote: Skybuck Flying wrote:
"Toolpackinmama" <philnblanc at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hcjjn1$j0e$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
Skybuck wrote:
Not so long ago I cleaned the pc-case dust filters while the pc was
running... I decided not to dry the dust filters thoroughly because a
kid on youtube also didn't try them thoroughly...
Is this guy for real? Or is this some kind of parody, like SPINALTAP?
Real, can't find the video of the kid...
But search for antec 1200 and you'll see plenty of people washing their
dust filters with water ! ;)
Makes ya wonder doesn't it ! :)
Bye,
Skybuck.
Nothing wrong with that as long as you let them dry out.
But then one needs to wait... which is "down time"... and might be
unneccessary ?
(Also cleaning it dry takes more time and toiletpaper ! )
The real question is:
What happens if it's slightly wet/moisturish ;)
Anybody know ?  =D
Bye,
Skybuck =D |
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| Norman Peelman... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:15 am |
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Skybuck Flying wrote:
Quote: "Toolpackinmama" <philnblanc at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hcjjn1$j0e$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
Skybuck wrote:
Not so long ago I cleaned the pc-case dust filters while the pc was
running... I decided not to dry the dust filters thoroughly because a
kid on youtube also didn't try them thoroughly...
Is this guy for real? Or is this some kind of parody, like SPINALTAP?
Real, can't find the video of the kid...
But search for antec 1200 and you'll see plenty of people washing their dust
filters with water ! ;)
Makes ya wonder doesn't it ! :)
Bye,
Skybuck.
Nothing wrong with that as long as you let them dry out.
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Norman
Registered Linux user #461062 |
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| Norman Peelman... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:49 am |
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Skybuck Flying wrote:
Quote: "Norman Peelman" <npeelman at (no spam) cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4aee4a70$0$5118$9a6e19ea at (no spam) unlimited.newshosting.com...
Skybuck Flying wrote:
"Toolpackinmama" <philnblanc at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hcjjn1$j0e$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
Skybuck wrote:
Not so long ago I cleaned the pc-case dust filters while the pc was
running... I decided not to dry the dust filters thoroughly because a
kid on youtube also didn't try them thoroughly...
Is this guy for real? Or is this some kind of parody, like SPINALTAP?
Real, can't find the video of the kid...
But search for antec 1200 and you'll see plenty of people washing their
dust filters with water ! ;)
Makes ya wonder doesn't it ! :)
Bye,
Skybuck.
Nothing wrong with that as long as you let them dry out.
But then one needs to wait... which is "down time"... and might be
unneccessary ?
(Also cleaning it dry takes more time and toiletpaper ! )
The real question is:
What happens if it's slightly wet/moisturish ;)
Anybody know ? =D
Bye,
Skybuck =D
What happens if you just run the system without the dust filter on
until it dries? Would it be so bad? Oh wait, why not get extra dust
filters so you can rotate them out for cleaning...
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Norman
Registered Linux user #461062 |
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| Capt. Cave Man... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:16 am |
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On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:49:30 -0500, Norman Peelman <npeelman at (no spam) cfl.rr.com>
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Quote: Skybuck Flying wrote:
"Norman Peelman" <npeelman at (no spam) cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4aee4a70$0$5118$9a6e19ea at (no spam) unlimited.newshosting.com...
Skybuck Flying wrote:
"Toolpackinmama" <philnblanc at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hcjjn1$j0e$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
Skybuck wrote:
Not so long ago I cleaned the pc-case dust filters while the pc was
running... I decided not to dry the dust filters thoroughly because a
kid on youtube also didn't try them thoroughly...
Is this guy for real? Or is this some kind of parody, like SPINALTAP?
Real, can't find the video of the kid...
But search for antec 1200 and you'll see plenty of people washing their
dust filters with water ! ;)
Makes ya wonder doesn't it ! :)
Bye,
Skybuck.
Nothing wrong with that as long as you let them dry out.
But then one needs to wait... which is "down time"... and might be
unneccessary ?
(Also cleaning it dry takes more time and toiletpaper ! )
The real question is:
What happens if it's slightly wet/moisturish ;)
Anybody know ? =D
Bye,
Skybuck =D
What happens if you just run the system without the dust filter on
until it dries? Would it be so bad? Oh wait, why not get extra dust
filters so you can rotate them out for cleaning...
Go buy a REAL blower system, place it in the next room, or in the wall,
and filter THAT on the intake side, then ALL the air it forces into the
PC will be clean, and the only difference is the pipe (hose) leading into
the PC from the mystery location. 4" Pipe should work well.
Then, you could use an automotive filter on the front end of the thing.
The highest tech consumer level filter you can get, dollar for dollar.
Goddamned overtly retarded cross posting DUMBFUCKS! |
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| Zootal... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:15 am |
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"nobody >" <usenetharvested at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
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Quote: Zootal wrote:
Mother boards and related equipment have environmental ratings that tell
you the maximum humidity and temperature they will tolerate. Exceed that
and you run the risk of condensation and corrosion. Condensation on high
frequency high impedance circuits can bring your computer down right now,
blammo, and stay down until it dries. Just putting a finger across some
of these traces will crash your computer.
You must be dealing with some awfully crappy motherboards with totally
bare traces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_coating
Out there in the real world, it happens. Not every piece of electronic
equipment is a nice neat color coordinated motherboard with pretty traces
and an aesthetically pleasing design, not to mention your "conformal
coating". |
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| nobody >... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:15 am |
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Zootal wrote:
Quote:
Mother boards and related equipment have environmental ratings that tell you
the maximum humidity and temperature they will tolerate. Exceed that and you
run the risk of condensation and corrosion. Condensation on high frequency
high impedance circuits can bring your computer down right now, blammo, and
stay down until it dries. Just putting a finger across some of these traces
will crash your computer.
You must be dealing with some awfully crappy motherboards with totally
bare traces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_coating |
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| nobody >... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:15 am |
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Zootal wrote:
Quote: "nobody >" <usenetharvested at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
news:0pSdnTutKMl5bW3XnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d at (no spam) supernews.com...
Zootal wrote:
Mother boards and related equipment have environmental ratings that tell
you the maximum humidity and temperature they will tolerate. Exceed that
and you run the risk of condensation and corrosion. Condensation on high
frequency high impedance circuits can bring your computer down right now,
blammo, and stay down until it dries. Just putting a finger across some
of these traces will crash your computer.
You must be dealing with some awfully crappy motherboards with totally
bare traces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_coating
Out there in the real world, it happens. Not every piece of electronic
equipment is a nice neat color coordinated motherboard with pretty traces
and an aesthetically pleasing design, not to mention your "conformal
coating".
Sorry,Zootal... I've been dealing with "real world" printed circuit
boards a long time. I might even venture that I was possibly repairing
them before you were born.
I've repaired marine electronics from sunken boats, portable two-way
radios found in sewers, pagers that went swimming in toilets, dispatch
consoles that have had the "Pepsi Treatment" (lattes and mochas are
worse..but "PT" is the generic term), and radio base stations doused in
rat pee for years.
I know what can happens from "exposure".
Yes, early PC mobos were "bare-assed traces", but any reasonable mobo
made in the last 10-15 years has some form of coating. Your "finger
touch" doesn't fly. |
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| Zootal... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:15 am |
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"nobody >" <usenetharvested at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
news:Q7mdnSrcA6ksYm3XnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d at (no spam) supernews.com...
Quote: Zootal wrote:
"nobody >" <usenetharvested at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
news:0pSdnTutKMl5bW3XnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d at (no spam) supernews.com...
Zootal wrote:
Mother boards and related equipment have environmental ratings that
tell you the maximum humidity and temperature they will tolerate.
Exceed that and you run the risk of condensation and corrosion.
Condensation on high frequency high impedance circuits can bring your
computer down right now, blammo, and stay down until it dries. Just
putting a finger across some of these traces will crash your computer.
You must be dealing with some awfully crappy motherboards with totally
bare traces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_coating
Out there in the real world, it happens. Not every piece of electronic
equipment is a nice neat color coordinated motherboard with pretty traces
and an aesthetically pleasing design, not to mention your "conformal
coating".
Sorry,Zootal... I've been dealing with "real world" printed circuit boards
a long time. I might even venture that I was possibly repairing them
before you were born.
I've repaired marine electronics from sunken boats, portable two-way
radios found in sewers, pagers that went swimming in toilets, dispatch
consoles that have had the "Pepsi Treatment" (lattes and mochas are
worse..but "PT" is the generic term), and radio base stations doused in
rat pee for years.
I know what can happens from "exposure".
Yes, early PC mobos were "bare-assed traces", but any reasonable mobo made
in the last 10-15 years has some form of coating. Your "finger touch"
doesn't fly.
It is possible you were repairing them before I was born. If so, that would
make you upwards of 75 years old. I've met older people out here, so I
suppose that is entirely possible. But don't tell me what is and is not out
there. Yes, there is a lot of nicely made boards properly coated etc. etc.
But I stand by my statement - there is a lot of stuff with "bare ass"
traces and worse. Once you get out of the realm of your pretty consumer
grade electronics and move into the world of military and custom (and
not-so-custom) commercial equipment, you see a stunning range of quality and
reliability - good and bad. |
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