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| The Frog... |
Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:52 am |
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Hi Everyone,
I am trying to find out if anyone has had any issues with Access
applications / Jet databases on 64bit Windows platforms. I am looking
at doing a hardware upgrade and wanted to 'use' the 'power' of the
newer processors which all seem to be 64bit these days.
Is anyone working with a 64bit setup?
Cheers
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| Allen Browne... |
Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:46 pm |
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I've no problem using Access/JET databases on Windows 7 64-bit.
Tested versions 2000, 2003, and 2007.
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Allen Browne - Microsoft MVP. Perth, Western Australia
Tips for Access users - http://allenbrowne.com/tips.html
Reply to group, rather than allenbrowne at mvps dot org.
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Quote: Hi Everyone,
I am trying to find out if anyone has had any issues with Access
applications / Jet databases on 64bit Windows platforms. I am looking
at doing a hardware upgrade and wanted to 'use' the 'power' of the
newer processors which all seem to be 64bit these days.
Is anyone working with a 64bit setup?
Cheers
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| David W. Fenton... |
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:15 am |
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"Allen Browne" <AllenBrowne at (no spam) SeeSig.invalid> wrote in
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Quote: I've no problem using Access/JET databases on Windows 7 64-bit.
Tested versions 2000, 2003, and 2007.
This is a case where there's a huge difference between using Access
and using Jet/ACE, especially because many of the people wanting to
do the latter are attempting to do so from 64-bit programming
environments.
It's not that it can't be done, it's just that is has to be done
through the same layer Access uses (and any other 32-bit application
running on 64-bit Windows). The people who seem to have the most
problems, from what I've seen on StackOverflow.com, are .Net
programmers, because of the security restrictions that come with
managed code (insofar as I understand the issues).
If you're just using Access or Jet/ACE from MS Office applications
(or any other 32-bit apps), you should have no problems.
If you're using Jet/ACE directly in some non-Access programming
environment, you should probably inquire in forums devoted to those
development platforms. The people in the Microsoft public Access
newsgroups are just not going to have much experience relevant to
that situation, simply because it is only tangentially related to
Access.
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| The Frog... |
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:21 am |
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Much appreciated. My primary concern was to be able to upgrade my home
machine but still be able to work with MS Access. If I can still do
all the same stuff as before then all is well. Its just MS Office
stuff, so in theory it shouldnt be a problem.
Its a lot easier to carry a USB stick to and fro the office than a
laptop (AKA the standard issue comany brick). I am looking forward to
placing some new hardware on my desk. 64bit, Win 7, loads of RAM and
an SSD.
Thanks for the feedback, my mind is at ease :-)
Cheers
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| David W. Fenton... |
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:50 am |
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The Frog <mr.frog.to.you at (no spam) googlemail.com> wrote in
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Quote: I am looking forward to
placing some new hardware on my desk. 64bit, Win 7, loads of RAM
and an SSD.
Let me chime in on the SSD. I convinced a client of mine to buy a
ThinkPad with SSD because I thought it would reduce the weight. It
doesn't -- the SSD assembly weighs pretty much exactly the same as a
hard drive of the same form factor (though the hard drive will have
higher capacity).
It's been a roaring success, since everything on the machine happens
almost instantly. It's really amazing to have the OS up and running
seconds after starting the machine. I'm used to it with putting my
laptop in and out of sleep mode, but it's even faster for this
machine (which has a much faster dual-core CPU in comparison to my
heavy old 4-year-old laptop).
I'm a huge fan of SSDs and hope the capacities start climbing and
the prices dropping. These clients of mine didn't need that much
hard disk space for this laptop, so it was no hardship going with a
mere 64GBs (the laptop it replaced had only 20GBs and wasn't close
to being filled up).
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| David W. Fenton... |
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:05 am |
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The Frog <mr.frog.to.you at (no spam) googlemail.com> wrote in
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Quote: I am thinking along the exact same lines with the SSD's. I have
located the two drives that I want to use in my system (desktop),
one is an SSD from OCZ called the Z-Drive which connects directly
to a PCIe slot and uses a dedicated hardware RAID controller
(Highpoint I think) to control four banks of chips for sustained
700mb/s read AND write! Pretty sweet :-)
The other is an actual hardware RAM drive with flash backup. The
RAM drive may prove unnecessary with the Z-Drive's speed since the
direct connect through the PCIe is significantly faster than
through any current SATA port. The RAM drive is from ACARD (9010 /
9010B).
What do you think?
I'm wish I had the finances right now to do something like that! But
I'd have to buy a new computer as I don't have anything but old
clunker desktops and this 4-year-old laptop.
One of the key points about using SSDs with desktops is that you
shouldn't be thinking in terms of having only 1 hard drive. Instead,
have an SSD for your OS and programs (best if it's partitioned into
two separate volumes, system and apps) and then you can have a
normal hard drive for data storage.
I think you'd put your swap file on the SSD and have it be a
permanent swap file, but I could be wrong on that one.
One of the difficult things about Windows is that it insists on
putting the user profiles on the same volume as the OS, unless you
have a server and/or roaming profiles, or unless you jump through
the necessary hoops to transfer it it to a different volume. I did
the latter on my Win2000 desktop years ago so that my user profiles
(which I consider DATA) were on my data partition, but I recall it
being quite a bit of work to get it working properly.
Maybe post-WinXP that's been made easier to do?
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| Tony Toews [MVP]... |
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:17 am |
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"David W. Fenton" <XXXusenet at (no spam) dfenton.com.invalid> wrote:
Quote: (best if it's partitioned into
two separate volumes, system and apps)
Why?
Quote: and then you can have a normal hard drive for data storage.
Why? My thinking on this one is that my data files only take 4 Gb or so. Whereas my
Win XP and Program Files is 50 Gb. So if it's faster why wouldn't I put my files on
the SSD?
Quote: One of the difficult things about Windows is that it insists on
putting the user profiles on the same volume as the OS, unless you
have a server and/or roaming profiles, or unless you jump through
the necessary hoops to transfer it it to a different volume. I did
the latter on my Win2000 desktop years ago so that my user profiles
(which I consider DATA) were on my data partition, but I recall it
being quite a bit of work to get it working properly.
What is in a Windows user profile anyhow? I've never quite bothered to research
all that. I recall the IT department at a client telling someone that their profile
got corrupted so the IT guy deleted it. The IT guy added but it won't make any
difference to you.
Tony
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Tony's Main MS Access pages - http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
For a free, convenient utility to keep your users FEs and other files
updated see http://www.autofeupdater.com/
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| Tony Toews [MVP]... |
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:49 am |
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The Frog <mr.frog.to.you at (no spam) googlemail.com> wrote:
Interesting ideas saved and snipped.
Quote: The user profiles can be a real pain to handle, even with backups. One
of the things that I did to minimise the pain was to simply partition
my HD (win xp machine) and right click 'My Documents' and set it to a
new location -
But I don't have any important files in My Documents. All my files have been in a
separate folder, called "1 data" or a separate partition Q: since DOS days. ("1
data" so it appears first on the Windows Explorer list for convenience.) As far as I
can tell there is nothing important in my profile.
Tony
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Tony's Main MS Access pages - http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
For a free, convenient utility to keep your users FEs and other files
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| David W. Fenton... |
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:40 am |
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"Tony Toews [MVP]" <ttoews at (no spam) telusplanet.net> wrote in
news:lhdvd598fo53a9osfkfosljolscd7j7i38 at (no spam) 4ax.com:
Quote: "David W. Fenton" <XXXusenet at (no spam) dfenton.com.invalid> wrote:
(best if it's partitioned into
two separate volumes, system and apps)
Why?
Because you want OS functions separate from apps. In the UNIX world,
that's pretty much SOP.
Quote: and then you can have a normal hard drive for data storage.
Why? My thinking on this one is that my data files only take 4 Gb
or so. Whereas my Win XP and Program Files is 50 Gb. So if it's
faster why wouldn't I put my files on the SSD?
I said to put them on the SSD, just in a partition separate from the
OS partition.
Quote: One of the difficult things about Windows is that it insists on
putting the user profiles on the same volume as the OS, unless you
have a server and/or roaming profiles, or unless you jump through
the necessary hoops to transfer it it to a different volume. I did
the latter on my Win2000 desktop years ago so that my user
profiles (which I consider DATA) were on my data partition, but I
recall it being quite a bit of work to get it working properly.
What is in a Windows user profile anyhow? I've never quite
bothered to research all that. I recall the IT department at a
client telling someone that their profile got corrupted so the IT
guy deleted it. The IT guy added but it won't make any difference
to you.
It's the information stored on a PC that is specific to your user
logon. In UNIX terms, it's your /usr/ home folder.
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| David W. Fenton... |
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:51 am |
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The Frog <mr.frog.to.you at (no spam) googlemail.com> wrote in
news:d8faaaa5-cf83-4682-b398-cd0b02dcf40e at (no spam) j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.co
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Quote: I was thinking to use two of these SSD's for my system. One for
the OS and programs, and the other for running a more heavy duty
DB like Postgres (somewhere to store all that data....).
I think SSDs are better for read operations than for write, so I'm
not certain storing a database on one would be a good idea. If you
have enough RAM to load the whole db into memory, that's a different
kettle of fish.
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Quote: The user profiles can be a real pain to handle, even with backups.
One of the things that I did to minimise the pain was to simply
partition my HD (win xp machine) and right click 'My Documents'
and set it to a new location - which was the separate partition on
the HD.
This doesn't move your user profile.
Quote: I also ran
from the Start->Run menu option: 'control userpasswords2'. I was
logged in as myself and the computer is not shared so I unchecked
the 'must use username / password' checkbox and the system now
just logs me in directly as myself.
I guess on a desktop machine in a home this is not a big deal, but I
think it's unwise to not have an explicit log on. It just gives me
the willies. You never know who might be there in front of your
computer and take advantage of the ability to have full access to
your system and files.
Quote: Last step was to use a tool called ODIN (you
can find it on SourceForge) to make an image of the windows
partition that can be restored pretty much instantly if something
goes wrong.
This is one of the reasons to keep the OS on its own partition, so
that it's easy to restore an image.
Quote: With a BartPE boot disk / USB Key and ODIN with the image it made
I can completely restore my win xp box in about 3 minutes. Thats
about as slick as I got with the profiles side of things.
If you don't have it partitioned, it will take a lot longer to
restore.
Quote: I also have 2Gig of RAM, which far exceeds any use I have on the
system, so I turned the windows paging file off completely! The
system now boots in just over 30 seconds.
Every expert I know of advises against this. I used to be a
page-file "expert," back in the Win3.x days, and then Win95 came out
and all my strategies made no difference. So my current practice is
to set the page file to a minimum permanent size of 2X the system
RAM and a top limit of mumble mumble some other number, and leave it
at that. I think Windows manages the paging file by itself a lot
better than it used to.
I don't think 2GB is anywhere close to being sufficient to obviate
the need for a paging file, unless the machine is used only for
purposes that are very light in terms of their use of memory (e.g.,
no video or graphics or audio editing).
Quote: My memory usage is hovering at
about 1 to 1.2 Gig with everything running and the system works
fine - or at least I havent come across any issues yet.
That's not really the issue. What you want to look at is the number
of page faults.
Quote: I figured that if you
have the RAM why would you need virtual memory? So I turned it off
 Works like a charm.
This has not been my experience, and it's not what the experts
recommend.
Indeed, as I said, 2Gbs is not even considered much RAM these days.
Quote: It would be very handy to have a simple method to dump your
profile - without all the documents and extra stuff - to a single
file that you could use to backup / restore with. Backup profile,
backup data, backup OS, and thats it. Maybe I will put some energy
into this once I get my new toy.
I believe profiles should be stored on your data drive and backed up
as data.
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| David W. Fenton... |
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:53 am |
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"Tony Toews [MVP]" <ttoews at (no spam) telusplanet.net> wrote in
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Quote: I don't have any important files in My Documents. All my files
have been in a separate folder, called "1 data" or a separate
partition Q: since DOS days. ("1 data" so it appears first on the
Windows Explorer list for convenience.) As far as I can tell
there is nothing important in my profile.
I don't use My Documents. I have my own places for my data, and My
Documents gets mapped to point to them.
On my user logons, %UserProfile%\My Documents\ is usual empty (or
filled with stuff left there by idiotic applications that ignore the
settings in the registry for where the My Documents folder is
located).
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| Tony Toews [MVP]... |
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:15 am |
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"David W. Fenton" <XXXusenet at (no spam) dfenton.com.invalid> wrote:
Quote: (best if it's partitioned into
two separate volumes, system and apps)
Why?
Because you want OS functions separate from apps.
But why? Why not leave Program Files on C drive?
Quote: In the UNIX world,that's pretty much SOP.
Irrelevant.
Quote: and then you can have a normal hard drive for data storage.
Why? My thinking on this one is that my data files only take 4 Gb
or so. Whereas my Win XP and Program Files is 50 Gb. So if it's
faster why wouldn't I put my files on the SSD?
I said to put them on the SSD, just in a partition separate from the
OS partition.
Ok, I missed that for you. My question though is still relevant for The Frog.
Quote: What is in a Windows user profile anyhow? I've never quite
bothered to research all that. I recall the IT department at a
client telling someone that their profile got corrupted so the IT
guy deleted it. The IT guy added but it won't make any difference
to you.
It's the information stored on a PC that is specific to your user
logon.
Like what though besides the contents of C:\Documents and Settings\ttoews\ ...
Or is that it? Your prioflle is all your files in that folder?
Tony
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Tony's Main MS Access pages - http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
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| The Frog... |
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:35 am |
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Hi David and Tony,
I just use 'My Documents' in a similar way to David, it is really just
a pointer to my separated partition where I keep all my data. I keep
the system and the data on the same drive for the most part, but back-
up to alternate locations and removable media of course.
The reason for me to separate the OS and the Data into separate
partitions is simply for the simplification of OS installation and
restoration. The other alterations are just personal preferences for
performance. I dont do video editing or anything of the like, the bulk
of my system being used for data manipulation with ETL processes, some
programming, and basic web surfing and email.
With my new system that will change. I really want to start getting
into video editing, and in particular programming video analysis
techniques (eg/ facial recognition, object recognition.......), and
that takes some serious juice to do in real-time (or at least PAL at
25 PPS (50 frames per second at two frames per picture). Some CAD
modelling would be good too. Ultimately I would like to get into some
robotics and automated control. In short I would love to fly but cant
do so because I am colourblind (really badly), but I can always
develop a 'toy' that I can fly remotely from my PC. RC Aircraft just
arent the same as the real thing, and since I wont be in it I need it
to be 'smart'. It will probably take me 20 years to build, but then I
am only in my 30's so I reckon by the time I am ready to retire I have
my hobby ready :-)
Back to topic: I wasnt aware of the Page Faults issue. I will look
into this. I can tolerate a certain amount of course since RAM is many
times faster than a HD, but it will still be interesting to know. So
far the system runs many times faster without the paging file. I have
heard that a RAM Disk is also a great way to do a paging file for
speed, but that seems to make no sense when you are using the very
memory for a paging file that you are supposed to keep free so you
dont need a paging file! Hence my conumdrum so I just turned it off
and made sure that I had more than enough RAM for my needs.
As for the password / login situation, it is always possible to use
Whole Disk Encryption products or even just a password protected
bootloader (GAG from SourceForge for example). I dont have anything
that interesting on my machine to warrant extreme measures of
protection, and anything that I want to keep private I put into a
TrueCrypt encrypted container or partition. Its not that I have
anything in my holiday or wedding photos that I think is worthy of
'secret' status, I just dont want people copying / editing /
distributing them. They are private and they stay that way. I am happy
to show them to people but not give them to people. I keep my tax
returns there too :-)
I find it interesting to see different peoples takes on this topic. It
does tend to be very personal doesnt it? PC's are very much an
extension of the person who uses them. We express ourselves in our
PC's by adaptig them to our behaviour and desires. I like mine quick
and simple, keep the data separate, the OS quickly re-buildable, and
my personal things 'private' and safe (I will simply not trust Windows
Security up to and including Windows Vista and all the predecessors -
they are all broken. I cant speak to Win 7 yet, havent got the new
system, but soon.......). I would never build corporate infrastructure
the same way - I am a total security driven individual in that
context, and that is a very different approach.
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:34 am |
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"Tony Toews [MVP]" <ttoews at (no spam) telusplanet.net> wrote in
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Quote: "David W. Fenton" <XXXusenet at (no spam) dfenton.com.invalid> wrote:
(best if it's partitioned into
two separate volumes, system and apps)
Why?
Because you want OS functions separate from apps.
But why? Why not leave Program Files on C drive?
So that your image is much, much smaller, for one.
Likewise, if you have two different partitions, and you are using to
hard drives, you've got more drive heads. Even if you're just using
a single physical drive with multiple partitions, because there are
multiple heads you may get increased performance (depending on the
geometry of the drive platters and the controller logic).
Quote: In the UNIX world,that's pretty much SOP.
Irrelevant.
Well, except for the fact that they have really compelling reasons
for designing it that way. In general, they separate OS from
applications and data, and I think that's an excellent strategy. It
certainly makes it a lot easier to do granular backups/images.
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Quote: What is in a Windows user profile anyhow? I've never quite
bothered to research all that. I recall the IT department at a
client telling someone that their profile got corrupted so the
IT guy deleted it. The IT guy added but it won't make any
difference to you.
It's the information stored on a PC that is specific to your user
logon.
Like what though besides the contents of C:\Documents and
Settings\ttoews\ ... Or is that it? Your prioflle is all your
files in that folder?
That's it, the whole thing. That is your user profile, yes.
But if you're not using Windows standards, you may have data
scattered all over the place.
When I have the partitions available, user profiles go on the data
drive, but I don't put most of my data buried in the user profile.
My typical data drive will look like:
\Users
\Data
....and I will map my Data folder as the My Documents for my user
profile.
If, for instance, I also use an external drive for media, I will
likely create a junction (e.g., like a symbolic link) in the \Data
folder to my photo and music and video folders on the external
drive, so that My Music, My Pictures and My Videos will all be
junctions that point to the relevant folders on the media drive. On
this laptop, My Music is a junction mapped to f:\media\mp3, My
Pictures is a junction pointing to f:\media\photos and My Videos is
a junction mapped to f:\media\video.
This has certain implications for backing up, because a lot of
backup and imaging software is too idiotic to understand the
difference between a real folder a junction link. So, I end up
having to carefully exclude the folders that are just links, and
then I run separate backup jobs for the media drive (much less
often, in fact).
I would really like to find Windows backup and imaging software that
was smart enough to understand a feature of NTFS that has been
available since the days of NT4, but alas, you will get even smart
people insisting that Windows offers nothing at all comparable to
symbolic links (the one thing Junctions lack is the ability to
create a link to a file -- it allows links only to folders).
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The Frog <mr.frog.to.you at (no spam) googlemail.com> wrote in
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Quote: Back to topic: I wasnt aware of the Page Faults issue. I will look
into this. I can tolerate a certain amount of course since RAM is
many times faster than a HD, but it will still be interesting to
know.
The swap file won't be used until physical RAM is filled. The
performance improvement is likely to be seen only in marginal cases
where the management of the swap file becomes a performance drain in
and of itself. If you have too large a swap file, or make it 100%
dynamic (instead of setting a minimum size), you could see a
performance hit in comparison to eliminating the swap file entirely.
Quote: So
far the system runs many times faster without the paging file. I
have heard that a RAM Disk is also a great way to do a paging file
for speed,
Windows doesn't allow a paging file on a RAM disk -- the concept is
nonsensical. The whole point of a paging file is to write to disk
non-active memory blocks so as to make more room for programs
requesting physical RAM.
Tradionally, many people (especially Mac users) have used RAM disks
for storing temp files, but this is really not helpful at all (not
since the disk cache introduced in the Windows 3.x days; Mac users
have not needed it since OS X, which finally introduced proper
virtual memory and modern disk caching), because the OS is already
caching files from the disk. The free memory you lose by allocating
it to a RAM disk is going to extract a much greater penalty than you
would get from having your temp files in RAM. Because of the disk
cache, 99%+ of your files are already going to be in RAM, so the RAM
disk just cramps your physical memory availability.
The exception *might* be a dynamic RAM disk, but again, the memory
and CPU cycles needed to manage that dynamically, might eat up all
the performance increase you'd be getting from they RAM disk.
Quote: but that seems to make no sense when you are using the very
memory for a paging file that you are supposed to keep free so you
dont need a paging file! Hence my conumdrum so I just turned it
off and made sure that I had more than enough RAM for my needs.
RAM disks are often used with server databases, where they can load
the entire database form disk into the server's RAM (obviously, they
have to have a lot of RAM for this), and then everything is done in
RAM. It requires massive amounts of RAM with a database of any size,
of course, but it's something that is used for that particular
application.
Quote: As for the password / login situation, it is always possible to
use Whole Disk Encryption products or even just a password
protected bootloader (GAG from SourceForge for example).
Portable computers should be using disk encryption in the first
place, since without it, anybody who steals the machine can pull the
drive and pull data off it with any software that can mount a
Windows partition (FAT or NTFS).
Quote: I dont have anything
that interesting on my machine to warrant extreme measures of
protection,
You are missing the point. It's not that your data is valuable, it's
the problem of mischief -- you may not care if your data is lost,
but what if somebody slips in a key-logger while you're not there?
And what if they use that to remotely install a Trojan on your
machine that connects up with a botnet and participates in sending
spam? If your broadband provider identifies your machine as infected
it could cut off your Internet connection.
Disastrous?
Probably not, but pretty damned inconvenient in exchange for not
having to log on when you start up the computer or bring it out of
sleep mode.
Quote: and anything that I want to keep private I put into a
TrueCrypt encrypted container or partition.
So, you don't have a problem with supplying credentials, you just
don't want to do it until you use your encrypted data?
I think that's kind of silly.
Quote: Its not that I have
anything in my holiday or wedding photos that I think is worthy of
'secret' status, I just dont want people copying / editing /
distributing them. They are private and they stay that way. I am
happy to show them to people but not give them to people. I keep
my tax returns there too
Leaving your computer wide open is simply very, very unwise.
Quote: I find it interesting to see different peoples takes on this
topic. It does tend to be very personal doesnt it?
No, in fact it's not personal at all. You're part of a big computing
ecosystem and the practices you're recommending can contribute to
the pollution of that ecosystem by leaving your system wide open to
anybody with less than honorable intentions.
Quote: PC's are very much an
extension of the person who uses them. We express ourselves in our
PC's by adaptig them to our behaviour and desires. I like mine
quick and simple, keep the data separate, the OS quickly
re-buildable, and my personal things 'private' and safe (I will
simply not trust Windows Security up to and including Windows
Vista and all the predecessors
I think it's astonishing that you would spend so much time on
setting up your partitions and such, and then completely ignore the
most basic aspect of security.
Quote: they are all broken.
I don't believe this is true at all. And I think it's highly amusing
that you'd make such a statement after admitting you're so negligent
in regard to the most basic security step, which is password
protecting your computer.
Quote: I cant speak to Win 7 yet, havent got the new
system, but soon.......). I would never build corporate
infrastructure the same way - I am a total security driven
individual in that context, and that is a very different approach.
I think that the home computer is a much more dangerous vector than
the corporate computer, precisely because it's not governed by
domain policies, nor protected by a network infrastructure managed
by IT professionals. In my opinion, that's an argument that refutes
your case -- you need more of the basic security at home precisely
because you lack the industrial strength layer you ought to be able
to take for granted in a well-managed corporate environment.
Frankly, I'm still stunned how few top-level Access developers seem
to lack any sense at all of the basics of security. Maybe my own
security knowledge (meager as it is) simply derives my particular
history because I have never been just a database developer, but
also a jack-of-all-trades IT support person. I had to start studying
up on security back when I first started getting my feet wet
administering NT 4 servers and migrating users from Win95 desktops
to NT 4 workstation (I had my clients skip Win98, and it was a very,
very good move). I guess those who have never been in that role have
never needed to figure things out, but given all the interactions
with security that have come up in mere Access development, it seems
like a rather myopic approach to things, at least, from my
perspective.
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David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
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