Homer L. Hazel wrote:

Just to understand, the St. John site is not a disaster? It is a
e-tail success?

If by "success" you mean "makes more money for the company than
it costs to maintain" then I'd say, "Could be."

If by "success" you mean "a model for how to build a site" then
I'd say "you left out the word 'not'."

--
frosty

On Oct 14, 12:20 am, Art Martz <artma... at (no spam) triad.rr.com> wrote:

You might also take a look atwww.marketamerica.comfora web site
driven with a UniVerse/Redback back-end.
Art

Thanks for the information, Art.   Does "MarketAmerica" use any MV for
the website, itself, or are they doing what I have to do - extract SQL
tables (or any other type of data) and build a PICK (MV) file?    

Just
curious.

Jim Cronin
Kittery Trading Post

Hey Jim. Do you remember George Capell?

On Oct 12, 5:29 pm, mvdbman <mvdb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On a more serious note, there is another retailer with a
"Pick" (UniVerse) backend. I work for Neiman Marcus.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/mvdbman

-Bruce H

Bruce:

What about the "front-end", the web page, itself?   Are you using any
MV-based software for the website, or do you extract tables and build
MV files?

Jim Cronin
Kittery Trading Post

This forum has been dying for a long time now.  I know too many people
who say they never even read it anymore.  The noise-to-signal ratio
has chased everyone away.  Does anyone have a suggestion for bringing
back the quality?  Feel free to suggest that people would come back if
some of us just go away - I'd agree and comply.

As to where people have gone, I think some are just lurking rather
than posting.  Some people have been hit by the economy and spending
time in places other than forums.  Many end-users have migrated to
other platforms, leaving no one here to discuss Pick but old pickies.
And many have moved to product-specific forums.  That said, the
traffic in those is down to almost nothing sometimes too.

Is the MV market just depressed?

T

Someone please clone me so I can get a break.

GlenB

On Nov 6, 9:12 am, GlenB <batch... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:



Someone please clone me so I can get a break.

GlenB

I'm right here.  And I'm cheap (and easy).

Will Johnson

On Nov 7, 4:35 am, wjhonson <wjhon... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Nov 6, 9:12 am, GlenB <batch... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:

Someone please clone me so I can get a break.

GlenB

I'm right here.  And I'm cheap (and easy).

Will Johnson

   You sound like an insurance commercial. Do you deny most of your
claims for the first 2 requests? :)

   The biggest time waste I've experienced is having to get address
matches on credit cards for US and Canada. I've been on hold now for
15 mins waiting for someone at Titanium Platinum Card in Canada to
pick-up. Then, I'll get no address match and have to e-mail the
customer for a different card and put the order on hold. Argh!!
Businesses need an international credit card billing and shipping
address validation protocol for all card issuers. By the time I'm done
wasting my time, I will have lost all profits on the order.

GlenB

GlenB wrote:
  The biggest time waste I've experienced is having to get address
matches on credit cards for US and Canada. I've been on hold now for
15 mins waiting for someone at Titanium Platinum Card in Canada to
pick-up. Then, I'll get no address match and have to e-mail the
customer for a different card and put the order on hold. Argh!!
Businesses need an international credit card billing and shipping
address validation protocol for all card issuers. By the time I'm done
wasting my time, I will have lost all profits on the order.

"International" might mean USA and Canada for USA-based merchants with
USA/Canada-based consumers.  Outside of that it can get more
difficult.  I was doing this in NebulaPay.  Essentially the single
BASIC API allowed for address validation and other operations for an
assortment of providers.  Unfortunately I doubt I'll be taking that
software out of mothballs anytime soon.

T

On Nov 9, 9:25 am, GlenB <batch... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:





On Nov 7, 4:35 am, wjhonson <wjhon... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Nov 6, 9:12 am, GlenB <batch... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:

Someone please clone me so I can get a break.

GlenB

I'm right here.  And I'm cheap (and easy).

Will Johnson

   You sound like an insurance commercial. Do you deny most of your
claims for the first 2 requests? :)

   The biggest time waste I've experienced is having to get address
matches on credit cards for US and Canada. I've been on hold now for
15 mins waiting for someone at Titanium Platinum Card in Canada to
pick-up. Then, I'll get no address match and have to e-mail the
customer for a different card and put the order on hold. Argh!!
Businesses need an international credit card billing and shipping
address validation protocol for all card issuers. By the time I'm done
wasting my time, I will have lost all profits on the order.

GlenB

You're doing this manually?  Why couldn't you code software to wait
for a response, and if it gets a no match to automagically email back
the customer, etc.  Why do you have to be involved in a purely
automatic task like that?

Will- Hide quoted text -

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On Nov 9, 2:37 pm, wjhonson <wjhon... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:





On Nov 9, 9:25 am, GlenB <batch... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:

On Nov 7, 4:35 am, wjhonson <wjhon... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Nov 6, 9:12 am, GlenB <batch... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:

Someone please clone me so I can get a break.

GlenB

I'm right here.  And I'm cheap (and easy).

Will Johnson

   You sound like an insurance commercial. Do you deny most of your
claims for the first 2 requests? :)

   The biggest time waste I've experienced is having to get address
matches on credit cards for US and Canada. I've been on hold now for
15 mins waiting for someone at Titanium Platinum Card in Canada to
pick-up. Then, I'll get no address match and have to e-mail the
customer for a different card and put the order on hold. Argh!!
Businesses need an international credit card billing and shipping
address validation protocol for all card issuers. By the time I'm done
wasting my time, I will have lost all profits on the order.

GlenB

You're doing this manually?  Why couldn't you code software to wait
for a response, and if it gets a no match to automagically email back
the customer, etc.  Why do you have to be involved in a purely
automatic task like that?

Will- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

  Because sometimes it's how the numbers are to appear in the address
and also the fact that periods "." are considerd a number in the Vital
address validation service. What a PITA. Sometimes you have to spend
$10 in $1 charges to get an address match because the customer doesn't
type the address in exactly as it is on the bill!. As we say here, "no
coffee for you tomorrow morning!!"

GlenB- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The biggest time waste I've experienced is having to get address
matches on credit cards for US and Canada. I've been on hold now for
15 mins waiting for someone at Titanium Platinum Card in Canada to
pick-up. Then, I'll get no address match and have to e-mail the
customer for a different card and put the order on hold. Argh!!
Businesses need an international credit card billing and shipping
address validation protocol for all card issuers. By the time I'm done
wasting my time, I will have lost all profits on the order.

On Nov 10, 7:30 am, GlenB <batch... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:





On Nov 9, 2:37 pm, wjhonson <wjhon... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Nov 9, 9:25 am, GlenB <batch... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:

On Nov 7, 4:35 am, wjhonson <wjhon... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Nov 6, 9:12 am, GlenB <batch... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:

Someone please clone me so I can get a break.

GlenB

I'm right here.  And I'm cheap (and easy).

Will Johnson

   You sound like an insurance commercial. Do you deny most of your
claims for the first 2 requests? :)

   The biggest time waste I've experienced is having to get address
matches on credit cards for US and Canada. I've been on hold now for
15 mins waiting for someone at Titanium Platinum Card in Canada to
pick-up. Then, I'll get no address match and have to e-mail the
customer for a different card and put the order on hold. Argh!!
Businesses need an international credit card billing and shipping
address validation protocol for all card issuers. By the time I'm done
wasting my time, I will have lost all profits on the order.

GlenB

You're doing this manually?  Why couldn't you code software to wait
for a response, and if it gets a no match to automagically email back
the customer, etc.  Why do you have to be involved in a purely
automatic task like that?

Will- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

  Because sometimes it's how the numbers are to appear in the address
and also the fact that periods "." are considerd a number in the Vital
address validation service. What a PITA. Sometimes you have to spend
$10 in $1 charges to get an address match because the customer doesn't
type the address in exactly as it is on the bill!. As we say here, "no
coffee for you tomorrow morning!!"

GlenB- Hide quoted text -

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Considered the PayPal gateway .... sure, percentage may be higher, BUT
the stress levels are a whole lot lower :-)

Also, the "rape & pillage" approach for extractibng data from a web
site could be worthwhile. We have just had to do this for one of our
clients whose major trading partner believed that an email sent with
details of an order corresponded to a web service .... luckily they
did have the required information available on their web site, so
every X minutes we go out, traverse the site, and see if there is any
new information to pick up .... of course the first time they make a
decent change to the site we are shot (minor changes should be AOK as
we use DOM references), but meanwhile the "roll your own" web service
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wasting my time, I will have lost all profits on the order.

GlenB

You're doing this manually? Why couldn't you code software to wait
for a response, and if it gets a no match to automagically email back
the customer, etc. Why do you have to be involved in a purely
automatic task like that?

Will- Hide quoted text -

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snip

wasting my time, I will have lost all profits on the order.

GlenB

You're doing this manually? Why couldn't you code software to wait
for a response, and if it gets a no match to automagically email back
the customer, etc. Why do you have to be involved in a purely
automatic task like that?

Will- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

  Because sometimes it's how the numbers are to appear in the address
and also the fact that periods "." are considerd a number in the Vital
address validation service. What a PITA. Sometimes you have to spend
$10 in $1 charges to get an address match because the customer doesn't
type the address in exactly as it is on the bill!. As we say here, "no
coffee for you tomorrow morning!!"

GlenB

Then of course you have the dumbos that refuse to accept a PO Box as an
address even if you go to the trouble of putting it on the second line.say
Ed Kookie Byrnes
77 Sunset Strip
PO Box 94
Yes my address on cards is a PO Box and yes the post office want the box on
the envelope not the street address for a delivery and yes the carriers do
not come up the road but leave parcels at - you guessed it - the post
office.
Funnily enough Amazon manage to get it all correct with one key billing as
well so it is possible.
Peter McMurray