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Symeonb...

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:06 pm

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I still read cdp - but not avidly every day and only post on occasion
really - i do frequent the u2 user group maillist tho - If u2 is 80%
of the MV world, and most of those people use u2ug instead of cdp then
it will be rather quite over here.

Symeon.

frosty...

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:23 pm

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tobewan wrote:

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Yes, it's true - I'm pretty much a lurker anymore. But still
interested in the MV space and hearing some of the war stories.
The last 10 years I've been working for a company outside the MV world
and am reminded daily how spoiled I was to have started in the MV
world. I occasionally dabble with OpenQM from time to time but with
house and boat and full time job, don't have much time.

I would like to know if there are other old-timers out there lurking
also? Sisk, Treankler, Eggers?

I lurk, sometimes post, sometimes even post with content.
Jon's in and out; there's some posts from him in cdp.
Henry hasn't been seen (in here) for years.

Dang, I'm an old-timer, now. =':^[

--
frosty

frosty...

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:24 pm

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eppick77 wrote:

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Remember the Go ask Henry buttons?

(grin) Uh, yeah.

Still have a couple, I'm pretty sure.

--
frosty

Kevin Powick...

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:10 pm

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On Oct 7, 9:50 am, "Homer L. Hazel" <homerl... at (no spam) coxSPAM.net> wrote:

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Greetings,

[snip]

Quote:

Larry Hazel

Homey! My favorite US Marine. Glad you're still around.

--
Kevin Powick

Jon Sisk...

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:04 pm

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I still read from time to time.
I am certain Henry does not.
And Frosty was last time I saw him in August, but may be enjoying time
AFK.

Hey, I'm even gonna drop in on the SAPUG meeting next week and just
learned today that Mark Pick would be there in-person!

Talk about old-timers!

What was the question again?

j.

Quote:

I would like to know if there are other old-timers out there lurking
also? Sisk, Treankler, Eggers?

Toby

dawn...

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:04 pm

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On Oct 5, 10:19 pm, Tony Gravagno
<address.is.in.po... at (no spam) removethis.com.invalid> wrote:

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This forum has been dying for a long time now. I know too many people
who say they never even read it anymore. The noise-to-signal ratio
has chased everyone away. Does anyone have a suggestion for bringing
back the quality? Feel free to suggest that people would come back if
some of us just go away - I'd agree and comply.

As to where people have gone, I think some are just lurking rather
than posting. Some people have been hit by the economy and spending
time in places other than forums. Many end-users have migrated to
other platforms, leaving no one here to discuss Pick but old pickies.
And many have moved to product-specific forums. That said, the
traffic in those is down to almost nothing sometimes too.

Is the MV market just depressed?

There are a lot of forums, with about one each for each of the MV
implementations along with this one. I thought there was a list of
those somewhere, but I just checked pickwiki and did not see it (with
20 full seconds of searching). Additionally, many use some form of
client-server connectivity or toolsets with more questions in those
areas than related to the MV aspects of what we do. I ask most of my
"dumb questions" (not asking doesn't seem smarter) on the Cache' Zen
(AJAX) list. I'm guessing that those working with .NET or various
toolsets would have a better shot at getting their specific questions
answered in forums specific to various APIs or toolsets.

That said, I like reading and participating on CDP. I am new to
writing MV BASIC code, but I usually ask my teammates my stupid mv
questions. If there is something specific to the Cache' MV
implementation, then I ask it on the Cache' MV list (which is not very
active because those who are converting from other places get good
hand-holding from InterSystems and seem to have few questions for the
list). I have noticed that the U2 list is not as noisy as it once was
(with a flare-up given the recent purchase by Rocket Software, of
course). If you get a chance, check out Chuck's article at
http://intelligent-enterprise.informationweek.com/channels/information_management/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=220301557&pgno=1

cheers! --dawn

> T

dawn...

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:20 pm

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On Oct 7, 5:04 pm, Jon Sisk <j... at (no spam) jes.com> wrote:

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Since the topic of this SAPUG meeting is Reality, I understand what
would bring Mark to Seattle, so what are you doing up there? Is the
weather too nice in the LA area or are you playing in the Reality
sandbox right now too? Just curious, as always. --dawn

Quote:

Talk about old-timers!

What was the question again?

j.

I would like to know if there are other old-timers out there lurking
also? Sisk, Treankler, Eggers?

Toby

frosty...

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:16 am

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Quote:

Kevin Powick:
Homey! My favorite US Marine. Glad you're still around.

Homer Hazel:

Quote:

Yes, I have a shirt that says it all.
Not as lean
Twice as Mean
Still a Marine

I'll probably work with Pick forever - or until I die
whichever is sooner. 8>))

Careful!
http://www.moviesounds.com/fmj/permission.wav

--
frosty

Homer L. Hazel...

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:16 am

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"Kevin Powick" <kpowick at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:78a4ef1c-a9fa-4a0f-8745-f95c0a145479 at (no spam) p15g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 7, 9:50 am, "Homer L. Hazel" <homerl... at (no spam) coxSPAM.net> wrote:

Quote:

Greetings,

[snip]

Quote:

Larry Hazel

Homey! My favorite US Marine. Glad you're still around.

--
Kevin Powick

Yes, I have a shirt that says it all.

Not as lean
Twice as Mean
Still a Marine

I'll probably work with Pick forever - or until I die
whichever is sooner. 8>))

Larry Hazel

Homer L. Hazel...

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:34 pm

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"frosty" <frostyj at (no spam) bogus.tld> wrote in message
news:sLydncaGaqh9xlDXnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d at (no spam) centurytel.net...

Quote:

Kevin Powick:
Homey! My favorite US Marine. Glad you're still around.

Homer Hazel:
Yes, I have a shirt that says it all.
Not as lean
Twice as Mean
Still a Marine

I'll probably work with Pick forever - or until I die
whichever is sooner. 8>))

Careful!
http://www.moviesounds.com/fmj/permission.wav

--
frosty

For all of you mail call fans, the voice on the recording
was of course, the Gunny. Lee Emory.

Well, I've always thought I would live forever. Now it
appears that I have to! 8>))

Larry Hazel

frosty...

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:55 pm

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Homer L. Hazel wrote:

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For all of you mail call fans, the voice on the recording
was of course, the Gunny. Lee Emory.

Well, I've always thought I would live forever. Now it
appears that I have to! 8>))

Can't believe I missed R. Lee Ermey's "Mail Call" shows!

I am TiVoing all of his new Lock N' Load, though.

--
frosty

frosty...

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:16 am

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Homer L. Hazel wrote:

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I'm sorry you missed "Mail Call" it was truly enjoyable.

Maybe it reruns on Dish Network. I can hope.

Quote:

And he got to destroy lots of the deadly watermelons.

LOL... what is it with "Gunny" and watermelons?!?
On Lock N' Load, he blows away plenty of them.
And gallon jugs of paint. And Butterball turkeys.

I'm actually quite impressed with his shooting and
skillz w/weapons in general. He's deadly with every
rifle, shotgun and blade he gets his hands on. Except
he can't throw a spear. I haven't seen him with an
atlatl yet.

--
frosty

Art Martz...

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:16 am

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dawn wrote:

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If you get a chance, check out Chuck's article at
http://intelligent-enterprise.informationweek.com/channels/information_management/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=220301557&pgno=1

cheers! --dawn

Thanks Dawn, that's a good link!

Art

Albert D. Kallal...

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:16 am

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"Bob Marik" <rmarik at (no spam) mcbaincamera.com> wrote in message
news:733d6e65-3c56-49c3-aaac-32c25b79d5c3 at (no spam) p10g2000prm.googlegroups.com...

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Tony,
I obviously can't speak for anyone else but I continue to read CDP on

a daily basis. I just haven't had any questions worth posting nor any
advise worth posting. Partly a function of old age and partly a
function of implementing and learning a new application program.
Keep up the good work though. It is helpful to read about what is
occurring in the MV world..
Bob Marik

-----------

My case is very much like yours Bob, just not a lot of questions or
answers going on here.

Since I spend some time daily in some other newsgroups, (mainly the
Microsoft access ones), then when making a browse through the newsgroups,
then in passing I will usually check in here also.

As others pointed out, without new blood, you don't see very many new
questions. New people = lots of new questions

The other reason for me posting less here is that only a small amount of my
work now comes from the multi-value systems. I have to admit that there are
still really wonderful days that I get to have with pick once in awhile, but
they are rare indeed.

In fact it was just at the beginning of this year I had one real nice real
kick at the pick cat with a longtime customer who was migrating out of pick.
What was really interesting was I spent a good number of days using all of
my favorite tools.

This was Unfortunately a another migration project out of pick which all
seem to be the reason I get work these days!

To transfer data out of the pick system I used the d3 ODBC drivers and sql
mapping commands. I was pulling the data into MS
access. The performance of the odbc drivers was absolutely stunning.
500,000 records was transferring in just minutes. I used pass-through
queries on the access side..and wow, did transfers go fast.

Using the sql mapping commands allowed me to normalize the data out the
data multi-value tables from pick into a nice set of standard sql tables.
The sql mapping commands were fun to use, and I really was my first time
that I got to play with and use sql on a pick box all day long.

These sql mapping commands saved truckloads of work and resulted in me
having to write very little code on the pick side for transferring the data
out. Without the pick sql mapping commands, the transfer would have been a
far larger task and likely a lot more code would have been required.

I had used SQL for years, and it was just a blast and enjoyable to use pick
and sql on the same machine.

With most record counts barely in the million range, the tables was an easy
and small fit into ms-access. I thus wrote quite a bit of code on
the ms-access side with sql updates to clean and fix up the tables as to how
the new vendor wanted the data. Again ms-access is a product I know so very
well, and again this was an enjoyable part of the work. (in fact, I just
been signed on with ORelly books to do an access book!.

After all was said and done the company needed the data in sql server
format. So, I just fired up sql server and pumped all the data from access
to SQL server and produced a sql backup file to be shipped out to the
company. Again playing with SQL server for parts of the day was very
enjoyable, and is another skill set that have and know well.

In other words I spent the day using most of my skills sets I mastered over
the years. Everything I learned over the years was put to good use in this
project and that made this work just oh so enjyable.

When I sit back and look at this data migration project it really is amazing
how far computers and processing has come. Tables of 500,000 records used to
be big, and now easily fit in the computers ram and can be processed with a
desktop system like ms-access in seconds.

I was also running SQL server on my laptop. I mean running SQL server and
manipulating and modifying all this data on my laptop was a breeze. The
laptop was barely breaking into a sweat for this work. We just don't really
have problems with disk nor ram or cpu processing today. In the past these
types of migration projects were often time consuming, and data transfers
and processing were limiting factors. We come so far. The compaq laptop I
was using cost me less then $1000.

Thus, the whole migration process a very enjoyable experience in which I was
never resource limited in anyway at all.

It was just literally last month that I got a call from one from my last
remaining users of my reservation software in my city.

So, I am down to one last cat here, and that will likely be the end of my
paying work in multi-value land. The system currently runs on jBase as a
file share and will be replaced by a mix of sql server (free version),
ms-access (free runtime), and likely SharePoint (free again) for the web
part. I mean, everything I plan to use for replacements from sql server to
SharePoint is 100% free. I just don't get how vendors can make money with
everything being free! I mean, I am still billing for my time, but I so far
I don't see any licensing fees or purchases of any software required for the
replacement system I have in mind.

I shall also continue to lurk in here, and I don't think I will ever stop
having great warm memories about pick and my experiences it has given me
with computers.

I would say that my exposure to pick and multi-value databases has been one
of the best things that ever happened to me, and it has resulted in me
meeting some very wonderful people.

So, as always, a warm thanks to all of the people here in CDP.

On the other hand, Bob, is one person I met in person many a time (and we
are overdue
for a coffee).

So, I don't think CDP is dead, but the activity does seem to be slowing down
in here.

--
Albert D. Kallal
Edmonton, Alberta Canada
pleaseNOOSpamKallal at (no spam) msn.com

Homer L. Hazel...

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:16 am

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"frosty" <frostyj at (no spam) bogus.tld> wrote in message
news:UbqdnYqMeYz7llPXnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d at (no spam) centurytel.net...

Quote:

Homer L. Hazel wrote:

For all of you mail call fans, the voice on the recording
was of course, the Gunny. Lee Emory.

Well, I've always thought I would live forever. Now it
appears that I have to! 8>))

Can't believe I missed R. Lee Ermey's "Mail Call" shows!

I am TiVoing all of his new Lock N' Load, though.

--
frosty

I'm sorry you missed "Mail Call" it was truly enjoyable.

And he got to destroy lots of the deadly watermelons.

I knew I should have checked the spelling. Oh well.

Larry

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