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Tony Gravagno...
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:15 am
Guest
This forum has been dying for a long time now. I know too many people
who say they never even read it anymore. The noise-to-signal ratio
has chased everyone away. Does anyone have a suggestion for bringing
back the quality? Feel free to suggest that people would come back if
some of us just go away - I'd agree and comply.

As to where people have gone, I think some are just lurking rather
than posting. Some people have been hit by the economy and spending
time in places other than forums. Many end-users have migrated to
other platforms, leaving no one here to discuss Pick but old pickies.
And many have moved to product-specific forums. That said, the
traffic in those is down to almost nothing sometimes too.

Is the MV market just depressed?

T
 
Kevin King...
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:15 pm
Guest
Quote:
Is the MV market just depressed?

Oh, I don't know if that's it. I scan the digest every day and read
anything of interest, but being more outside of traditional Pick these
days (U2, PHP), there haven't been many discussions of late that have
been specifically applicable or that warrant a response.

You're right that the S-to-N has been stifling at times. But that's
easy enough to ignore. Some folks come here just to fight. However,
I think most come here to learn, to grow, and to excel. With that in
mind, I think most people can look past the chaff to see the value of
active participation. In this economy, however, I would also venture
that many people are too busy just surviving to spend a lot of time
browsing the posts. However, when additional insight or feedback is
needed, it's great to have this channel.

So be not disheartened my worthsmithing friend. There may be a lull,
but in the great and mighty words of the citizens of Whoville: WE ARE
HERE, WE ARE HERE, WE ARE HERE!

-----

P.S. In an effort to stimulate discussion, anyone care to offer any
prognostications on the state of the art in software technology 5, 10,
or even 20 years from now?
 
Bob Marik...
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:49 pm
Guest
On Oct 6, 7:15 am, Kevin King <ke... at (no spam) precisonline.com> wrote:
Quote:
Is the MV market just depressed?

Oh, I don't know if that's it.  I scan the digest every day and read
anything of interest, but being more outside of traditional Pick these
days (U2, PHP), there haven't been many discussions of late that have
been specifically applicable or that warrant a response.

You're right that the S-to-N has been stifling at times.  But that's
easy enough to ignore.  Some folks come here just to fight.  However,
I think most come here to learn, to grow, and to excel.   With that in
mind, I think most people can look past the chaff to see the value of
active participation.  In this economy, however, I would also venture
that many people are too busy just surviving to spend a lot of time
browsing the posts.  However, when additional insight or feedback is
needed, it's great to have this channel.

So be not disheartened my worthsmithing friend.   There may be a lull,
but in the great and mighty words of the citizens of Whoville: WE ARE
HERE, WE ARE HERE, WE ARE HERE!

-----

P.S. In an effort to stimulate discussion, anyone care to offer any
prognostications on the state of the art in software technology 5, 10,
or even 20 years from now?

Tony,
I obviously can't speak for anyone else but I continue to read CDP on
a daily basis. I just haven't had any questions worth posting nor any
advise worth posting. Partly a function of old age and partly a
function of implementing and learning a new application program.
Keep up the good work though. It is helpful to read about what is
occurring in the MV world..
Bob Marik
 
sh...
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:40 pm
Guest
Quote:
Tony,
I obviously can't speak for anyone else but I continue to read CDP on
a daily basis. I just haven't had any questions worth posting nor any
advise worth posting. Partly a function of old age and partly a
function of implementing and learning a new application program.
Keep up the good work though. It is helpful to read about what is
occurring in the MV world..
Bob Marik

I'm with you on this one. Just haven't had anything to say. There
haven't been any great issues raised. (Maybe that's because there
haven't been any earth shattering developments on my mv platform in the
last, let's see now, um, ---- decade? Should I discuss Cache, when I
don't use it? I just read about it. Same for QM and Revelation.
Interesting, but not on my agenda.)

My workload is essentially in the .NET, web services, etc, world now. MV
is just the data repository at this point.

How many questions have been raised on the BlueFinity mv.NET forum
lately? Maybe we're just all depressed (or getting older).

Sholom
 
RDW...
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:15 pm
Guest
I am still here. I check the postings several times a day and find
most of them quite interesting. If I had anything constructive to
add to the conversation I would post. Mostly the post deal with
topics that are not currently an issue for me so I just read and
learn. I would hate to see CDP go away.

Ron White

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tobewan...
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:37 am
Guest
Seems like CDP is the most entrenched 'old guard' communication medium
still active after all these years.
I'd hate to see it go away.
 
Ross Ferris...
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:51 am
Guest
On Oct 6, 2:19 pm, Tony Gravagno
<address.is.in.po... at (no spam) removethis.com.invalid> wrote:
Quote:
This forum has been dying for a long time now.  I know too many people
who say they never even read it anymore.  The noise-to-signal ratio
has chased everyone away.  Does anyone have a suggestion for bringing
back the quality?  Feel free to suggest that people would come back if
some of us just go away - I'd agree and comply.

As to where people have gone, I think some are just lurking rather
than posting.  Some people have been hit by the economy and spending
time in places other than forums.  Many end-users have migrated to
other platforms, leaving no one here to discuss Pick but old pickies.
And many have moved to product-specific forums.  That said, the
traffic in those is down to almost nothing sometimes too.

Is the MV market just depressed?

T

Tony,

I think it is YOUR FAULT !

There are no great questions left unanswered - we can do it all, and
if not YOU can do it for them (at a price :-)

Apart from the occasional lapse of memory, I think there is little
reason for most people to post here ... and the underlying cause of
that is the lack of "new blood" ... there are very few newbies to post
dumb questions, and if they use google or bing, even then they can
probably find an answer in the archives.

As to end users, I think it unlikely that a "real" end user (eg clerk)
would ever want to come and visit, and their IT people are probably
happy just to have the status quo. Add to that the GFC and the fact
that people seem to be content (or at least willing to put up) with
what they have, and the questions will wither.

On a "brighter" note, if you can call it that, the Reserve Bank of
Australia lifted our interest rates yesterday ... appears we are the
only country with an "advanced economy" that is raising interest rates
-> hopefully the rest of the world will turn a corner soon, and if we
are really, really, REALLY lucky, interest rates might not go through
the roof as economies make up for lost time!


Ross Ferris,
Visage > Better by Design!
 
Diets...
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:49 am
Guest
On Oct 7, 3:51 am, Ross Ferris <ro... at (no spam) stamina.com.au> wrote:

Quote:
Tony,

I think it is YOUR FAULT !


I wouldn't go as far as this, but as a single developer who
occasionally requires some answers, I always got the feeling that I'm
not welcome to this group, due to whatever reason. I can only assume
(referring to some, if not all, of Tony's responses to my previous
postings) that I am not qualified to participate, or want stuff for
nothing. This is not unique to me, and some of my fellow developers
experience the same negativity from this group. In stark contrast, the
OpenQm group ALWAYS responds positively and in great detail, making
"underlings" like myself feel welcome.

There are many small developers out there making a living from their
(insignificant?) applications, whom I'm sure, would sincerely enjoy
participation, and get a sense of "belonging", to a group such as
this.

Quote:
and the underlying cause of that is the lack of "new blood" ... there are very few newbies to
post dumb questions,

I've always maintained that the only dumb questions are the one's you
don't ask!! A guaranteed way to scare newbies away is to make them
feel stupid or unwanted. While I have great admiration and respect for
Tony, and his relentless efforts in the MV arena, I think there are
"ways and means" to talk to people!

Diets
 
cc...
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:43 pm
Guest
Same case, I read it on a daily basis too, but I haven't had anything
to ask lately.

Regards,

Cristian
 
mvdbman...
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:24 pm
Guest
I still read CDP too. As for posting, my posts have seldom been
helpful and mostly just lame attempts at humor! For me, at my age,
checkin CDP is a good way to see who's still breathing!

Bruce H
 
mvdbman...
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:26 pm
Guest
On Oct 7, 8:24 am, mvdbman <mvdb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
I still read CDP too. As for posting, my posts have seldom been
helpful and mostly just lame attempts at humor! For me, at my age,
checkin CDP is a good way to see who's still breathing!

Bruce H

Dead 'G'. *checking*
 
...
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:48 pm
Guest
On Oct 7, 8:24 am, mvdbman <mvdb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
I still read CDP too. As for posting, my posts have seldom been
helpful and mostly just lame attempts at humor! For me, at my age,
checkin CDP is a good way to see who's still breathing!

Bruce H

Amen to that. I do occasionally ask some strange, esoteric question.
Usually get a beat up a bit and then realize I was attacking the
problem all wrong to begin with. While those lumps can hurt at the
time I have gained valuable insight from many of them. I just wish
Tony G would put down that big stick he carries around.

Marshall
 
tobewan...
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:14 pm
Guest
On Oct 7, 8:50 am, "Homer L. Hazel" <homerl... at (no spam) coxSPAM.net> wrote:
Quote:
Greetings,

......
I was very surprised to see Toby Kraft make a post here.  He has
not posted in a very long time.

Larry Hazel

Yes, it's true - I'm pretty much a lurker anymore. But still
interested in the MV space and hearing some of the war stories.
The last 10 years I've been working for a company outside the MV world
and am reminded daily how spoiled I was to have started in the MV
world. I occasionally dabble with OpenQM from time to time but with
house and boat and full time job, don't have much time.

I would like to know if there are other old-timers out there lurking
also? Sisk, Treankler, Eggers?

Toby
 
eppick77...
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:21 pm
Guest
On Oct 7, 12:14 pm, tobewan <toby.kr... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Oct 7, 8:50 am, "Homer L. Hazel" <homerl... at (no spam) coxSPAM.net> wrote:

Greetings,

.....
I was very surprised to see Toby Kraft make a post here.  He has
not posted in a very long time.

Larry Hazel

Yes, it's true - I'm pretty much a lurker anymore.  But still
interested in the MV space and hearing some of the war stories.
The last 10 years I've been working for a company outside the MV world
and am reminded daily how spoiled I was to have started in the MV
world.  I occasionally dabble with OpenQM from time to time but with
house and boat and full time job, don't have much time.

I would like to know if there are other old-timers out there lurking
also?  Sisk, Treankler, Eggers?

Toby

I would love to see Henry post. I love to see his writing style.

I remember riding the elevator with him at a spectrum and he was
telling how and why he came up with SP-EDIT.

Remember the Go ask Henry buttons?

Eugene
 
Homer L. Hazel...
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:50 pm
Guest
Greetings,

I would hate to see this news group disappear.

I've got several Microsoft groups that I occasionally browse, but this is
one
of two groups that I visit every day. I used to have more, but one by one,
they went away. CIV2 and CIV3 went away after the games became
outdated.

comp.home.automation became first a venue to attack somebody called
Robert Bass then just random ramblings about CFL & such.

I still get occasional tidbits of good information, but I cannot remember
the last. Sorry Tony, but I sometimes get about two paragraphs into
some of your messages and my eyes glaze over and my finger twitches
on the next key. I suspect I am missing out on some amazing
insight into some new technology.

I was very surprised to see Toby Kraft make a post here. He has
not posted in a very long time.

Larry Hazel
 
 
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