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| Philipp Post... |
Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:04 pm |
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Good day,
Since my phone company switched the cables in my city from copper to
fibreglass I am having issues with modem connections. The connection
stops sending/receiving data after some time but keeps beeing
connected or simply disconnects suddenly.
With a good ten years old Elsa professional MicroLink 56k I have no
issues, but with all simpler hardware such as a Lucent SoftModem AMR
or a Connexant PCI V52 modem card the trouble starts. The modem log
always says "Termination cause: CCT108 turned off". I have a line
noise of 18 dbm and a receiving signal of 27 dbm.
What is the "CCT108 turned off" meaning? Could there anything be done,
possibly a modified init string? I possibly a tool out there which
could help making recommendations to adjust modem settings dealing
with bad phone lines/instable connections?
Thanks and brgds
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| Philipp Post... |
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:48 am |
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Just to advise the outcome of this case - it might be helpfull to
others.
I was able to purchase a used Elsa Microlink 56k PCI modem card (abt
10 years old) via Amazon. It works with an instable connection without
going dead! No issues with Windows XP drivers - it is supported by the
built in drivers.
Those who still have old Elsa devices with them do good on keeping
them or sell them for good money - they are much better than a lot of
the present ones.
Elsa went out of business some years ago and was taken over by Devolo,
however I could not locate any drivers for the older devices on their
web site. Nevertheless there are mirrors of the old Elsa ftp server
available. One is at the Georg-August-University of Goettingen/Germany
over here:
ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/misc/elsa/FILES/DATACOMM/MICROLNK/
Includes drivers upto Windows 2000, for a few devices also Windows XP
drivers.
brgds
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| Philipp Post... |
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:18 pm |
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Thanks for the device recommendations.
For the record, here those modems which are working for me:
Elsa MicroLink 56k pro
SERENUM\ELS8318
Connexant chip
The "pro" device did just exist as an external serial port device.
Elsa MicroLink 56k PCI HCF EU (PCI card for desktop PC)
PCI\VEN_14F1&DEV_1034&SUBSYS_15101048&REV_08
Connexant HCF chip RH56D-PCI R6795-12 E38899.1
It has its own speaker on the card.
This device was my problem solver.
Those which are not working well in my environment are
Lucent Technologies Soft Modem AMR (AC '97 Notebook modem)
PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2486&SUBSYS_10D110CF&REV_01\3&61AAA01&0&FE
Actiontec/Connexant PCI V92 Modem (PCI card for desktop PC)
PCI\VEN_14F1&DEV_2F30&SUBSYS_205D14F1
Connexant chip HSF CX11252-41Z 0828Y1JU
Agere USB 2.0 Soft Modem
USB\VID_047E&PID_2892
brgds
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| Moe Trin... |
Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 5:03 am |
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On Sat, 3 Oct 2009, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.dcom.modems, in article
<9a7ab3b7-3ce3-412b-bfc7-81d644fafd5b at (no spam) d4g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
Philipp Post wrote:
NOTE: Posting from groups.google.com (or some web-forums) dramatically
reduces the chance of your post being seen. Find a real news server.
Quote: For the record, here those modems which are working for me:
Elsa MicroLink 56k pro
SERENUM\ELS8318
Connexant chip
The "pro" device did just exist as an external serial port device.
The RS-232 externals _had_ to be hardware modems, as there isn't
enough speed on the serial port to handle an emulated device. It
used to be a telling statement to know the hardware requirements,
because when you saw that the modem needed a minimum of a Pentium
233, that was a clear indication it was a software based design.
I've actually seen a genuine IBM PC-XT (4.77 MHz Intel 8088)
running a 56k v.90 hardware modem under MS-DOS 3.3, and it was not
having a problem doing so.
Quote: Lucent Technologies Soft Modem AMR (AC '97 Notebook modem)
PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2486&SUBSYS_10D110CF&REV_01\3&61AAA01&0&FE
The PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2486 say it's an Intel 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Modem
Controller
Quote: Actiontec/Connexant PCI V92 Modem (PCI card for desktop PC)
PCI\VEN_14F1&DEV_2F30&SUBSYS_205D14F1
Connexant chip HSF CX11252-41Z 0828Y1JU
Connexant SoftV92 SpeakerPhone SoftRing Modem with SmartSP
Quote: Agere USB 2.0 Soft Modem
USB\VID_047E&PID_2892
Agere Systems, Inc. (Lucent) Agere Systems Soft Modem
Like I said - real modems are getting hard to find. This last one is
an example of the external software modem, possible only because of
the high bandwidth of the USB port.
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| Moe Trin... |
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:16 am |
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On Mon, 05 Oct 2009, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.dcom.modems, in article
<op.u1c0qqulo63xbg at (no spam) acer250.gateway.2wire.net>, tlvp wrote:
Quote: I dare say you're quite right, Moe. My ZyXEL experience dates from my
use of their 1496 external data/fax modem back in the previous century.
"previous century" - that's starting to make people feel old. ;-)
Quote: I had first learned of its existence -- and desirability -- in this
very NG way back before I ever acquired one, and its rock-solid
reliability seemingly outdid every competitor, even such worthies as
Trailblazers, ... .
That "Winmodems are not Modems" webpage I'm referencing from lists two
1496s - one with LCD display, one with LEDs. There has to be more
differences than that, as they have completely different (US) FCC-ID
numbers.
Quote: While ZyXEL did keep pace with the increasing modem speed race up
into the various flavors of 56 kB/sec devices, they certainly saw
that stand-alone modems as a business were approaching a dead-end,
and therefore diverted their focus to other things, not always
providing the same attention to detail that had been their hallmark
in their earlier modem designs.
Modems haven't completely disappeared, as there are still large areas
of the world where wide-band connections are simply unavailable, or
extremely expensive. I'm about 22 miles / 35 km from down-town, and
wide band took a long time to reach out this far. But again, there
are people who don't need wide-band, which is why about half of the
new systems I was looking at two months ago had built-in modems of
some kind.
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| tlvp... |
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:55 am |
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On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:14:55 -0400, Moe Trin <ibuprofin at (no spam) painkiller.example.tld> wrote:
Quote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2009, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.dcom.modems, in article
op.u1c0qqulo63xbg at (no spam) acer250.gateway.2wire.net>, tlvp wrote:
I dare say you're quite right, Moe. My ZyXEL experience dates from my
use of their 1496 external data/fax modem back in the previous century.
"previous century" - that's starting to make people feel old.
My apologies! But even 10-year-olds -- they're not "old", are they? --
hark back to the previous century .
Quote: I had first learned of its existence -- and desirability -- in this
very NG way back before I ever acquired one, and its rock-solid
reliability seemingly outdid every competitor, even such worthies as
Trailblazers, ... .
That "Winmodems are not Modems" webpage I'm referencing from lists two
1496s - one with LCD display, one with LEDs. There has to be more
differences than that, as they have completely different (US) FCC-ID
numbers.
Mine was the one with the LEDs. I never knew any details about the other,
beyond its being roughly twice as unaffordable as mine.
Quote: While ZyXEL did keep pace with the increasing modem speed race up
into the various flavors of 56 kB/sec devices, they certainly saw
that stand-alone modems as a business were approaching a dead-end,
and therefore diverted their focus to other things, not always
providing the same attention to detail that had been their hallmark
in their earlier modem designs.
Modems haven't completely disappeared, as there are still large areas
of the world where wide-band connections are simply unavailable, or
extremely expensive. I'm about 22 miles / 35 km from down-town, and
wide band took a long time to reach out this far. But again, there
are people who don't need wide-band, which is why about half of the
new systems I was looking at two months ago had built-in modems of
some kind.
What's putting external modems out to pasture these days is the computer
makers' refusal to incorporate "legacy ports" in new equipment, IMO.
All netbooks I've found have neither an inbuilt modem nor the PCMCIA slot
that my trusty 3Com/Megahertz 3CXFEM656C combo 56k + ethernet requires,
hence becomes an isolated island in the absence of a wi-fi or ethernet
connection. Nor have they a true RS-232 serial port for a modem like the
ZyXEL. And the USB-to-whatever adapter folks don't seem to make reliable
USB/RS-232 or USB/PCMCIA-slot yet -- or I've found no such, anyway.
Are there any USB-based true hardware-only modems to be had?
Cheers, -- tlvp
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| Reed... |
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:14 am |
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| Moe Trin... |
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:16 am |
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On Thu, 08 Oct 2009, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.dcom.modems, in article
<op.u1gyulvzo63xbg at (no spam) acer250.gateway.2wire.net>, tlvp wrote:
Quote: Moe Trin <ibuprofin at (no spam) painkiller.example.tld> wrote:
"previous century" - that's starting to make people feel old. ;-)
My apologies! But even 10-year-olds -- they're not "old", are they? --
They are to the younger kids ;-)
Quote: hark back to the previous century  .
Recent discussion among co-workers about broadcast entertainment - yes
I do remember listening to "The Lone Ranger", "Tom Mix", and "The
Shadow" on the radio in the 1940s (I got my first giant 7 inch / 178mm
table-top television in 1955 seven years after the family got our
first one). Old? Who, me???
Quote: That "Winmodems are not Modems" webpage I'm referencing from lists
two 1496s - one with LCD display, one with LEDs. There has to be
more differences than that, as they have completely different (US)
FCC-ID numbers.
Mine was the one with the LEDs. I never knew any details about the other,
beyond its being roughly twice as unaffordable as mine.
Yours was a model U-1496E. The LCD version was a U-1496(S) and
apparently worked with two telephone lines (choice, not the dual or
"shotgun" style), but that's about the limit of my knowledge.
Quote: What's putting external modems out to pasture these days is the
computer makers' refusal to incorporate "legacy ports" in new
equipment, IMO.
Most of that is because the functions that used those ports - not just
the modem, but also the (serial) mouse/trackball, dumb terminal
display, and even the (serial) printer have moved to faster interfaces
because of the perceived need to move more data faster. (When the
Internet was first made available to public use, 2400 BPS modems were
a big deal, and the backbone - such as it was - was a 56k channel.)
Recall that with the advent of the Pentium, most PC motherboards used
a chipset that combined many of the original discrete functions into
three main chips - North-bridge (CPU to high-speed bus) South-bridge
(low speed interfaces) and Super-I/O (floppy, serial and parallel
ports). Floppies are gone, and the devices that used the serial and
parallel interfaces have moved to the USB bus, so that Super-I/O is
no longer needed - look at all the money we can save!
Quote: All netbooks I've found have neither an inbuilt modem
My wife just replaced her notebook/laptop computer, and about half of
the models she looked at had some form of internal modem. I think all
of them were soft-modems as that is the cheapest (most profitable) way
to offer that function.
Quote: nor the PCMCIA slot that my trusty 3Com/Megahertz 3CXFEM656C combo
56k + ethernet requires,
The PCMCIA slot was a marketing decision. Recall, it was originally
designed for memory cards (PCMCIA is "Personal Computer Memory Card
International Association") to allow capability expansion somewhat
like the expansion boards in a desktop.
Quote: And the USB-to-whatever adapter folks don't seem to make reliable
USB/RS-232
The chips seem to be available (Cypress Semi, Kawasaki LSI, Olitec,
Moxa Technologies, Prolifec among others), but there doesn't seem to
be the market for the devices. It may be a bandwidth issue. Keyboards
and mice when to PS/2 before USB, and most printers also moved from
parallel to USB. That basically left modems as the remaining RS-232
style device, and USB can handle that function too.
Quote: or USB/PCMCIA-slot yet -- or I've found no such, anyway.
That would be much more difficult, as PCMCIA is a parallel bus (16 bit
wide data, 26 bit wide address) very much like the ISA bus. It would
be expecting a lot to translate from the CPU parallel bus to a single
channel serial line and thence back to a parallel bus.
Quote: Are there any USB-based true hardware-only modems to be had?
3Com/USR 0525 and 5605, Allied Data SFM560-E, SFM560-USB and FMV560-E,
Zoom Model 2985L/2986L (and OEM models 1162L/1163L), Multi-Tech L56DV,
MD1625A and MT5634ZBA-USB Askey MagicXpress MX56VX-T1 (and OEM model
V1456VQE-T1), Digicom/ModemBlaster DE5670, Actiontec USB56012 Model
UM100, Easytel (Finland) TW-5614UL+USB and NetComm (Australia)
Roadster II 56 USB and AM5050R3 models - all from around 2005, and
there are more recent ones. It's not a dead world.
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| tlvp... |
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:59 am |
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On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:14:38 -0400, Reed <reedh at (no spam) rmi.net> wrote:
Many thanks, Reed! Noted, and bookmarked .
Cheers, -- tlvp
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| tlvp... |
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:09 am |
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On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:52:46 -0400, Moe Trin <ibuprofin at (no spam) painkiller.example.tld> wrote:
Quote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.dcom.modems, in article
op.u1gyulvzo63xbg at (no spam) acer250.gateway.2wire.net>, tlvp wrote:
... [much snipped] ...
Are there any USB-based true hardware-only modems to be had?
3Com/USR 0525 and 5605, Allied Data SFM560-E, SFM560-USB and FMV560-E,
Zoom Model 2985L/2986L (and OEM models 1162L/1163L), Multi-Tech L56DV,
MD1625A and MT5634ZBA-USB Askey MagicXpress MX56VX-T1 (and OEM model
V1456VQE-T1), Digicom/ModemBlaster DE5670, Actiontec USB56012 Model
UM100, Easytel (Finland) TW-5614UL+USB and NetComm (Australia)
Roadster II 56 USB and AM5050R3 models - all from around 2005, and
there are more recent ones. It's not a dead world.
Old guy
Ah, thanks very, very much! I'll have to start pricing these out.
Meanwhile, I don't quite agree that printers are all ditching their
serial or parallel interface ports for USB -- certainly none of the
workhorse printers I use and love have done any such thing.
Least of all my old reliable book-page production printer, a duplexing
HP Color LJ 4500. That's an investment I refuse to dump in a landfill
until it just up and dies on me, and there's no sign of it doing that
any time soon, any more than of its growing a USB port where its mini
parallel port has always been.
But I quite agree with the point you were really making, that newer
printers are being produced with USB ports only (or USB and ethernet).
And some of them get sold for less than a replacement toner cart for
my other old workhorse, an HP LJ 5L.
Cheers, -- tlvp
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| Ken Whiton... |
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:05 pm |
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*-* On Thu, 08 Oct 2009, at 22:52:46 -0500,
*-* In Article <slrnhctcsb.n3u.ibuprofin at (no spam) compton.phx.az.us>,
*-* Moe Trin wrote
*-* About Re: Bad modem connection with fibreglass line
Quote: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.dcom.modems, in
article <op.u1gyulvzo63xbg at (no spam) acer250.gateway.2wire.net>, tlvp wrote:
Moe Trin <ibuprofin at (no spam) painkiller.example.tld> wrote:
"previous century" - that's starting to make people feel old. ;-)
My apologies! But even 10-year-olds -- they're not "old", are they?
They are to the younger kids ;-)
-- hark back to the previous century  .
Recent discussion among co-workers about broadcast entertainment -
yes I do remember listening to "The Lone Ranger", "Tom Mix", and
"The Shadow" on the radio in the 1940s
That brings back memories. In addition to "The Lone Ranger" and
"The Shadow", I also remember listening to "Jack Armstrong, the
All-American Boy", "Bobby Benson", "Green Hornet", "Sky King", and
"Straight Arrow".
Quote: (I got my first giant 7 inch
/ 178mm table-top television in 1955 seven years after the family
got our first one).
My family got our first television in 1952. Before that my
brother and I used to go to our next-door neighbors' house after
school to watch the old western movies (starring Lash LaRue and Johnny
Mack Brown, among others) on "Hoss Opry Playhouse".
Only as old as you feel. ;-)
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| Moe Trin... |
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:53 pm |
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2009, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.dcom.modems, in article
<op.u1it6gp9o63xbg at (no spam) acer250.gateway.2wire.net>, tlvp wrote:
Quote: Meanwhile, I don't quite agree that printers are all ditching their
serial or parallel interface ports for USB -- certainly none of the
workhorse printers I use and love have done any such thing.
Well, that's true - but what are you connecting them to? None of the
last three computers I've bought came with a parallel port, and serial
printers aren't all that common.
Quote: But I quite agree with the point you were really making, that newer
printers are being produced with USB ports only (or USB and ethernet).
I still have two ancient Epson printers that are parallel port only,
but they're getting awfully tired. The two HP are both Ethernet only.
Quote: And some of them get sold for less than a replacement toner cart for
my other old workhorse, an HP LJ 5L.
Results 1 - 10 of about 125,000 for Gillette "give away the razor".
(0.36 seconds)
"King Camp Gillette" developed the concept of (virtually) giving away
the razor, and making his fortune selling the razor blades. The
companies building "home" printers are following suit. And the paper
isn't that cheap either.
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| Moe Trin... |
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:54 pm |
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2009, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.dcom.modems, in article
<hamqt00vpk at (no spam) enews5.newsguy.com>, Ken Whiton wrote:
Quote: *-* Moe Trin wrote
Recent discussion among co-workers about broadcast entertainment -
yes I do remember listening to "The Lone Ranger", "Tom Mix", and
"The Shadow" on the radio in the 1940s
That brings back memories. In addition to "The Lone Ranger" and
"The Shadow",
``Who knows what evil LURKS in the hearts of men...''
Quote: I also remember listening to "Jack Armstrong, the All-American Boy",
"Bobby Benson", "Green Hornet", "Sky King", and "Straight Arrow".
"Straight Arrow" - geez, I remember digging out the cardboard separators
from a box of Nabisco Shredded Wheat because they had indian secrets
printed on them - how to build a tepee, and your own bow and arrow. My
first attempt resulted in the arrow flying nearly six feet (2 meters)!!!
There were quite a few shows - don't forget the cowboys who could (and
did) sing like Roy Rogers and Gene Autry, and all of those radio
theater shows - "The FBI in peace and war" (brought to you by Lifebouy
soap... or was that Lava).
Quote: (I got my first giant 7 inch / 178mm table-top television in 1955
seven years after the family got our first one).
My family got our first television in 1952. Before that my
brother and I used to go to our next-door neighbors' house after
school
and after everyone had finished the homework and chores...
Quote: to watch the old western movies (starring Lash LaRue and Johnny
Mack Brown, among others) on "Hoss Opry Playhouse".
That sounds like a local program. The afternoon shows were generally
films of some kind, until it was time for the kiddie shows, always
with some idiot dressed up as a clown with a red ball on his nose, and
showing the 1930s cartoons. Some of the evening shows I won't miss,
like Uncle Milty - but there were some innovators like Ernie Kovacs
and Stan Freberg (remember "Time for Beanie" with Cecil The Sea-sick
Sea Serpent and Dishonest John?)
Quote: Old? Who, me???
Only as old as you feel.
Yup!
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:26 pm |
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*-* On Fri, 09 Oct 2009, at 14:54:12 -0500,
*-* In Article <slrnhcv56t.1ru.ibuprofin at (no spam) compton.phx.az.us>,
*-* Moe Trin wrote
*-* About Re: Bad modem connection with fibreglass line
Quote: On Fri, 09 Oct 2009, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.dcom.modems, in
article <hamqt00vpk at (no spam) enews5.newsguy.com>, Ken Whiton wrote:
*-* Moe Trin wrote
Recent discussion among co-workers about broadcast entertainment -
yes I do remember listening to "The Lone Ranger", "Tom Mix", and
"The Shadow" on the radio in the 1940s
That brings back memories. In addition to "The Lone Ranger"
and "The Shadow",
``Who knows what evil LURKS in the hearts of men...''
I also remember listening to "Jack Armstrong, the All-American
Boy", "Bobby Benson", "Green Hornet", "Sky King", and "Straight
Arrow".
"Straight Arrow" - geez, I remember digging out the cardboard
separators from a box of Nabisco Shredded Wheat because they had
indian secrets printed on them - how to build a tepee, and your own
bow and arrow. My first attempt resulted in the arrow flying nearly
six feet (2 meters)!!!
:-)
Quote: There were quite a few shows - don't forget the cowboys who could
(and did) sing like Roy Rogers
Who, before he was Roy Rogers, was Leonard Slye, one of the
founders of the Sons Of The Pioneers.
Quote: and Gene Autry, and all of those
radio theater shows - "The FBI in peace and war" (brought to you by
Lifebouy soap... or was that Lava).
According to
<http://www.old-time.com/commercials/1940's/L-A-V-A.htm>, it was Lava.
Quote: (I got my first giant 7 inch / 178mm table-top television in 1955
seven years after the family got our first one).
My family got our first television in 1952. Before that my
brother and I used to go to our next-door neighbors' house after
school
and after everyone had finished the homework and chores...
At 9 or 10 years old (for me, three years younger for my
brother), there was no homework in those days, and I don't remember
having chores.
Quote: to watch the old western movies (starring Lash LaRue and Johnny
Mack Brown, among others) on "Hoss Opry Playhouse".
That sounds like a local program.
It was, WNAC-TV, Boston
(<http://radioinsight.com/boards/topic/18134>, about 2/3 of the way
down the page). According to that link, it came on at 5:30, so if
there were chores, that allowed time to get them done.
Quote: The afternoon shows were generally
films of some kind, until it was time for the kiddie shows, always
with some idiot dressed up as a clown with a red ball on his nose,
and showing the 1930s cartoons. Some of the evening shows I won't
miss, like Uncle Milty - but there were some innovators like Ernie
Kovacs
Ah yes, The Nairobi Trio.
Quote: and Stan Freberg (remember "Time for Beanie" with Cecil The
Sea-sick Sea Serpent and Dishonest John?)
I remember watching "Time for Beanie".
If you're interested in some more of this reminiscing, there's an
extended thread (in which I participated) from about a year and a half
ago at
<http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.general/browse_thread/thread/a16d10732a7b8721>.
Ken Whiton
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:15 am |
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On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:47:42 -0400, Moe Trin <ibuprofin at (no spam) painkiller.example.tld> wrote:
Quote: ... [snip] ...
Well, hello from WNHC-TV in New Haven.
Well hi, Elm City neighbor . Fancy meeting you here, of all places!
Cheers, -- tlvp
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