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Charles A. Monteiro...
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:08 pm
Guest
Can't the moderators of this forum control the spam ? the other
problem here is that one can't hide one's email and therefore it is
subject to harvesting by the leeches of the web.

There are better ways, this is one:

http://www.visualworksforums.org
 
Frank Lesser [LSW]...
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:36 pm
Guest
Hi Charles,

your message ( send to googlegroups ) got also to UseNet - which different
from forums - spam control is in control of your provider in UseNet - I got
here very few Spam.
comp.lang.smalltalk NG is not only for VW - it is also for VA, ST-MT,
Dolphin( which has its own Usenet NG ) , ST/X , GNU-St, Squeak & its forks.
legacy St's like VSE and for new developments like DNG.

happy Smalltalking,
Frank

"Charles A. Monteiro" <charles.monteiro at (no spam) gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:d77935cf-4a05-4e31-824c-1341ac618f37 at (no spam) j39g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
Can't the moderators of this forum control the spam ? the other
problem here is that one can't hide one's email and therefore it is
subject to harvesting by the leeches of the web.

There are better ways, this is one:

http://www.visualworksforums.org
 
Randal L. Schwartz...
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:43 pm
Guest
Quote:
"Charles" == Charles A Monteiro <charles.monteiro at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:

Charles> Can't the moderators of this forum control the spam ?

You seem to think there are "moderators". I can assure you, you are
hallucinating. :)

There are none. The moment my local news server accepts this post,
it is flooded to tens of thousands of news servers around the world,
as quickly as possible.

About the only thing that keeps a lot of the spam "in check" is that people
are vigilantly watching the groups, trying to recognize spam, and then
force-cancelling the article remotely. Of course, that cancel has to go via
the same mechanism, since Usenet is distributed. So that means that some spam
will likely be in the group for a bit until the cancel catches up with it.
And other spam might remain because it didn't already propogate to one of the
spam-cancel-bots on a remote server.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet for more information.

Just another guy who has been around Usenet since the early beginning...

--
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
<merlyn at (no spam) stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion
 
claus.kick at (no spam) googlemail.com...
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:42 pm
Guest
On 11 Sep., 16:08, "Charles A. Monteiro" <charles.monte... at (no spam) gmail.com>
wrote:
Quote:
Can't the moderators of this forum control the spam  ? the other
problem here is that one can't hide one's email and therefore it is
subject to harvesting by the leeches of the web.

There are better ways, this is one:

http://www.visualworksforums.org

Read up on "Usenet" please, as Randal already suggested.
 
geoff...
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:03 pm
Guest
There is no mderator, although some groups have that.

However, the spam is more noticeable because the smalltalk vendors have
moved their st discussions to other forums and places.

James Robertson said they use social networking sites, something I disagree
with because it makes it more difficult to look for specific problems and
solutions.

--g
 
jarober...
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 2:29 am
Guest
I still monitor comp.lang.smalltalk, it's just not the place I go to
post news myself. For that I have my blog, which gets more traffic
than this group, and gets noticed by non-Smalltalkers - something that
simply isn't the case for a group like this.

I also echo everything from my blog out to a Twitter feed ( at (no spam) jarober),
and a subset to the at (no spam) cincomsmalltalk Twitter feed. Additionally, we
use resources that simply cannot be handled here on Usenet: Video
uploads to our site and various social networking sites (Youtube,
Vimeo, Facebook, Ning), and the audio podcast (our site, mevio,
Facebook, Ning).

All of the video and audio is available via the iTunes store as well
(free, in the podcast section). These are things that usenet is
simply unsuited for. And for general announcements and news? As I
said above, I can reach beyond the core Smalltalk audience by using
the broader net.



On Sep 12, 3:03 pm, "geoff" <nos... at (no spam) nospam.com> wrote:
Quote:
There is no mderator, although some groups have that.

However, the spam is more noticeable because the smalltalk vendors have
moved their st discussions to other forums and places.

James Robertson said they use social networking sites, something I disagree
with because it makes it more difficult to look for specific problems and
solutions.

--g
 
claus.kick at (no spam) googlemail.com...
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:32 am
Guest
On 13 Sep., 04:29, jarober <jaro... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Sep 12, 3:03 pm, "geoff" <nos... at (no spam) nospam.com> wrote:

James Robertson said they use social networking sites, something I disagree
with because it makes it more difficult to look for specific problems and
solutions.


All of the video and audio is available via the iTunes store as well
(free, in the podcast section). These are things that usenet is
simply unsuited for. And for general announcements and news? As I
said above, I can reach beyond the core Smalltalk audience by using
the broader net.

Hate to say it, but the days of Usenet seem to be over.
I am unsure why.

What are facebook and twitter: Status reports and for tech stuff,
announcement sites with a few links.
That is what the *.announce groups used to be.

So, I think only the covering changed, for the good, for the bad? I do
not know. It has changed. Period.
 
emptist...
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:31 pm
Guest
Unfortunately, almost all social sites are banned here in China. And
so does several anti-G. F. W. software.


On Sep 13, 10:29 am, jarober <jaro... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
I still monitor comp.lang.smalltalk, it's just not the place I go to
post news myself.  For that I have my blog, which gets more traffic
than this group, and gets noticed by non-Smalltalkers - something that
simply isn't the case for a group like this.

I also echo everything from my blog out to a Twitter feed ( at (no spam) jarober),
and a subset to the at (no spam) cincomsmalltalk Twitter feed.  Additionally, we
use resources that simply cannot be handled here on Usenet: Video
uploads to our site and various social networking sites (Youtube,
Vimeo, Facebook, Ning), and the audio podcast (our site, mevio,
Facebook, Ning).

All of the video and audio is available via the iTunes store as well
(free, in the podcast section).  These are things that usenet is
simply unsuited for.  And for general announcements and news?  As I
said above, I can reach beyond the core Smalltalk audience by using
the broader net.

On Sep 12, 3:03 pm, "geoff" <nos... at (no spam) nospam.com> wrote:



There is no mderator, although some groups have that.

However, the spam is more noticeable because the smalltalk vendors have
moved their st discussions to other forums and places.

James Robertson said they use social networking sites, something I disagree
with because it makes it more difficult to look for specific problems and
solutions.

--g
 
claus.kick at (no spam) googlemail.com...
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:30 pm
Guest
On 14 Sep., 20:31, emptist <jimg1... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Unfortunately, almost all social sites are banned here in China. And
so does several anti-G. F. W. software.


Ok, that is actually a good reason not to forget about usenet as some
"moderators" appear to have.
 
jarober...
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:54 pm
Guest
There's still no way to post audio, video or images to Usenet - it's a
very low tech way to publish info. All I can suggest is a visit to
the vendor of your choice's website


On Sep 15, 10:51 am, mer... at (no spam) stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote:
Quote:
"claus" == claus kick at (no spam) googlemail com <claus.k... at (no spam) googlemail.com> writes:

claus> Ok, that is actually a good reason not to forget about usenet as some
claus> "moderators" appear to have.

Uh, *what* moderators (see earlier post)?

--
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
mer... at (no spam) stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/
Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
Seehttp://methodsandmessages.vox.com/for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion
 
jarober...
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:19 pm
Guest
That's as may be, but you won't really find many projects posting here
on anything like a regular basis. The vendors mostly don't; Pharo
doesn't, nor does Seaside. Heck Janko, you push to the aidaweb site
first too :)

As to finding info, it's not that hard. I have a set of Google
searches that report via RSS, and I see new stuff that way


On Sep 15, 12:04 pm, Janko Miv¹ek <janko.miv... at (no spam) eranova.si> wrote:
Quote:
jarober pravi:

There's still no way to post audio, video or images to Usenet - it's a
very low tech way to publish info.  All I can suggest is a visit to
the vendor of your choice's website

But c.l.s is still the only Smalltalk-wide forum we have. Until we
establish the better one, it is better to take care of c.l.s as much as
possible and publish here news from elsewhere in the Smalltalk dialects.
With more and more cross-dialect projects this is even more important.

Best regards
Janko

--
Janko Miv¹ek
AIDA/Web
Smalltalk Web Application Serverhttp://www.aidaweb.si
 
Randal L. Schwartz...
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:51 pm
Guest
Quote:
"claus" == claus kick at (no spam) googlemail com <claus.kick at (no spam) googlemail.com> writes:

claus> Ok, that is actually a good reason not to forget about usenet as some
claus> "moderators" appear to have.

Uh, *what* moderators (see earlier post)?

--
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
<merlyn at (no spam) stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion
 
Janko Mivšek...
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:04 pm
Guest
jarober pravi:

Quote:
There's still no way to post audio, video or images to Usenet - it's a
very low tech way to publish info. All I can suggest is a visit to
the vendor of your choice's website

But c.l.s is still the only Smalltalk-wide forum we have. Until we
establish the better one, it is better to take care of c.l.s as much as
possible and publish here news from elsewhere in the Smalltalk dialects.
With more and more cross-dialect projects this is even more important.

Best regards
Janko


--
Janko Mivšek
AIDA/Web
Smalltalk Web Application Server
http://www.aidaweb.si
 
claus.kick at (no spam) googlemail.com...
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:20 am
Guest
On 15 Sep., 16:51, mer... at (no spam) stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote:
Quote:
"claus" == claus kick at (no spam) googlemail com <claus.k... at (no spam) googlemail.com> writes:

claus> Ok, that is actually a good reason not to forget about usenet as some
claus> "moderators" appear to have.

Uh, *what* moderators (see earlier post)?

I meant moderators in the sense of censors (couldnt remember the
word), i.e. the ones blocking the social sites in China (see earlier
post Razz).

I am well-aware that there are not too many moderators usenet groups
(which normally carry *.moderated in their name).
 
geoff...
Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:37 pm
Guest
Quote:
There's still no way to post audio, video or images to Usenet - it's a
very low tech way to publish info.

High tech is not always needed, especially when one is looking for a fix for
something or if something is available. I have no problem with videos, etc.
but there are those that still read and find reading adequate to the task at
hand.

--g
 
 
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