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| dsp_questions... |
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:32 pm |
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Hello,
My goal is to make a 16 channel fixed RFID reader with DSP.
But I don't really know what controller to use.
I will be using the ISO 11785 standard. The HDX transponder uses FSK
modulation, 124.2 kHz is logical "1" and 134.2 kHz is logical "0".
Questions are how fast do I want the cpu to be, do need a fpu? etc.
I need a 16 channel ADC, so preferably a controller instead of a
processor.
If you need more info, please ask me.
Is there anyone out there who can help me choose the right one?
Thank you,
M |
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| Vladimir Vassilevsky... |
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:43 pm |
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dsp_questions wrote:
Quote: Hello,
My goal is to make a 16 channel fixed RFID reader with DSP.
But I don't really know what controller to use.
I will be using the ISO 11785 standard. The HDX transponder uses FSK
modulation, 124.2 kHz is logical "1" and 134.2 kHz is logical "0".
Questions are how fast do I want the cpu to be, do need a fpu? etc.
I need a 16 channel ADC, so preferably a controller instead of a
processor.
If you need more info, please ask me.
Is there anyone out there who can help me choose the right one?
This is going to be rather fat DSP with expensive ADC. You would be
better off if you change the approach. Use the simple hardware to
downconvert/demodulate, then sample the signal into a microcontroller.
Vladimir Vassilevsky
DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant
http://www.abvolt.com |
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| Tim Wescott... |
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 6:28 pm |
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On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 08:43:57 -0500, Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:
Quote: dsp_questions wrote:
Hello,
My goal is to make a 16 channel fixed RFID reader with DSP. But I don't
really know what controller to use. I will be using the ISO 11785
standard. The HDX transponder uses FSK modulation, 124.2 kHz is logical
"1" and 134.2 kHz is logical "0". Questions are how fast do I want the
cpu to be, do need a fpu? etc. I need a 16 channel ADC, so preferably a
controller instead of a processor.
If you need more info, please ask me.
Is there anyone out there who can help me choose the right one?
This is going to be rather fat DSP with expensive ADC. You would be
better off if you change the approach. Use the simple hardware to
downconvert/demodulate, then sample the signal into a microcontroller.
For a lot of applications this would definitely be the way to go. For
some you may want to downconvert externally then demodulate in the DSP,
to take advantage of the better signal processing opportunities in the
DSP.
But you're still left with needing quite a lot of DSP horsepower. My
suggestion would be to pick an economical processor and build a module
that can do 1, 2 or 4 channels, then combine as many as necessary to get
up to your required 16 channels.
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www.wescottdesign.com |
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| Al Clark... |
Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:59 pm |
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"dsp_questions" <mariusfrielink at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in
news:z5Sdnc_sIK9xlTzXnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d at (no spam) giganews.com:
Quote: Hello,
My goal is to make a 16 channel fixed RFID reader with DSP.
But I don't really know what controller to use.
I will be using the ISO 11785 standard. The HDX transponder uses FSK
modulation, 124.2 kHz is logical "1" and 134.2 kHz is logical "0".
Questions are how fast do I want the cpu to be, do need a fpu? etc.
I need a 16 channel ADC, so preferably a controller instead of a
processor.
If you need more info, please ask me.
Is there anyone out there who can help me choose the right one?
Thank you,
M
If you mux the front end, you could use a modern SHARC with its PDAP (fifo)
input. Our dspblok 21369zx would be one choice.
We also have DSP-FPGA solutions but I don't think you will need the FPGA for
downsampling.
Perhaps you could just undersample the inputs (as long as the input S/H is
fast enough).
Al Clark
Danville Signal |
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| Tim Wescott... |
Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:55 pm |
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On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 14:59:49 +0000, Al Clark wrote:
Quote: "dsp_questions" <mariusfrielink at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in
news:z5Sdnc_sIK9xlTzXnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d at (no spam) giganews.com:
Hello,
My goal is to make a 16 channel fixed RFID reader with DSP. But I don't
really know what controller to use. I will be using the ISO 11785
standard. The HDX transponder uses FSK modulation, 124.2 kHz is logical
"1" and 134.2 kHz is logical "0". Questions are how fast do I want the
cpu to be, do need a fpu? etc. I need a 16 channel ADC, so preferably a
controller instead of a processor.
If you need more info, please ask me.
Is there anyone out there who can help me choose the right one?
Thank you,
M
If you mux the front end, you could use a modern SHARC with its PDAP
(fifo) input. Our dspblok 21369zx would be one choice.
We also have DSP-FPGA solutions but I don't think you will need the FPGA
for downsampling.
Perhaps you could just undersample the inputs (as long as the input S/H
is fast enough).
And the sampling jitter is low enough. I hadn't thought of one of your
boards -- if the OP is just doing one then it's probably cost effective
to throw a bunch of processing power at it, and buy it back with reduced
engineering time.
But it could just be an idle question, because the OP hasn't responded to
any of the responses.
That particular RFID protocol is odd because the bit lengths are
different. I suspect it was done to minimize the logic in that itty
bitty RF-powered tag, but it means that PLL bit synchronization is out of
the question (or at least prohibitively weird); that makes it hard to
treat it as anything but a strong-signal mode.
So you either treat it as strong-signal and hope the tag's return is
always good and strong, or you treat it as a weak-signal mode and you go
crazy trying to synchronize to the bits, and wondering if you should be
using bit synchronization in your bit detection...
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| Vladimir Vassilevsky... |
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:06 pm |
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dsp_questions wrote:
Quote: And what about the Freescale MC56F8006, has two 24 channel adc's. Probably
also not very accurate, but I don't really need that for FSK, I need
frequency not amplitude.
Anyone used this device before?
And what about the development software from Freescale, seems very
expensive?
The nature of your questions suggests that your experience level is
inadequate for the project. Hire a consultant.
Vladimir Vassilevsky
DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant
http://www.abvolt.com |
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| Jerry Avins... |
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 11:50 pm |
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Jimmy J wrote:
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Quote: irony (say I-ron-ee) noun (plural ironies)
1. saying the opposite of what you mean in order to emphasize it, e.g.
saying What a lovely day when it is pouring with rain.
Who would have guessed?
Jerry
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Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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| Jimmy J... |
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:23 am |
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Jerry Avins <jya at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote in news:jCatm.182049$O23.145549
at (no spam) newsfe11.iad:
Quote: Jimmy J wrote:
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irony (say I-ron-ee) noun (plural ironies)
1. saying the opposite of what you mean in order to emphasize it, e.g.
saying What a lovely day when it is pouring with rain.
Who would have guessed?
Jerry
It's acknowledged, not guessed. And, not surprisingly, the answer is
neither you nor Vladimir Vassilevsky. |
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| Jimmy J... |
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:16 am |
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Vladimir Vassilevsky <nospam at (no spam) nowhere.com> wrote in
news:apSdnXkmDowdTSvXnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d at (no spam) giganews.com:
You're a broken record. Either get a new line or say something intelligent
for a change. |
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| Jerry Avins... |
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:16 am |
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Al Clark wrote:
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Quote: Jerry is a retired engineer who isn't selling anything.
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Al,
I had not intended to add to this thread, but I want to thank you for
your kind words.
Jerry
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Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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| Jimmy J... |
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:12 am |
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Richard Owlett <rowlett at (no spam) pcnetinc.com> wrote in news:n5GdncriuM-
ZLCXXnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d at (no spam) supernews.com:
Quote: Jimmy J continues to make himself look silly
Another retarded comp.dsp regular who, in lieu of a rational, legitimate
argument, settles for a pathetic ad-hominem swipe. Are there no regulars
in this newsgroup who aren't arrogant assholes with arrested social
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| Vladimir Vassilevsky... |
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:16 am |
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Jimmy J wrote:
Quote: Richard Owlett <rowlett at (no spam) pcnetinc.com> wrote in news:n5GdncriuM-
ZLCXXnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d at (no spam) supernews.com:
Jimmy J continues to make himself look silly
Another retarded comp.dsp regular who, in lieu of a rational, legitimate
argument, settles for a pathetic ad-hominem swipe. Are there no regulars
in this newsgroup who aren't arrogant assholes with arrested social
development?
Dear Jimmy,
Most of folks in is NG have a choice for whom to work for. You wrote
once that "customer is always right". The problem is that you are not in
the customer position )))) So, if you need someone to clean toilets,
this place is not so good for looking for a candidate. Besides, the
experience tells that doing any work for idiots never pays off; no
matter what they promise.
VLV |
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| Eric Jacobsen... |
Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:16 am |
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On 9/25/2009 3:48 PM, Jimmy J wrote:
Quote: Richard Dobson<richarddobson at (no spam) blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in news:7c9vm.181253
$tD4.165830 at (no spam) newsfe07.ams2:
Jimmy J wrote:
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Experience also tells that this place is not so good for looking for a
DSP consultant.
Perhaps logic might have told you that earlier and saved all the aggro.
As someone said here not so long ago "nobody gives away the good stuff
for free". It's primarily a place to, um, discuss, not buy and sell
(except in the minds of spammers). A few regulars who are manufacturers
do mention their products, most unobtrusively (in the form of "we have
this, contact us privately if you are interested"), but nobody would
expect any discussions or negotiations to take place over a usenet list!
It seems to me that the normal course of action to find a consultant
is to use one's existing list of contacts (people who know people who
know people); check out the known companies (and indeed academic
institutions) in the area, the odd trade show or conference, and so
forth. And make private confidential inquiries of individuals etc. Find
someone to have a beer with. I would have thought as a matter of
principle that usenet is the ~last~ place to look, rather than the
first. I do not recall you announcing yourself as a potential employer
until well after the subject of this thread had totally evaporated.
Of course if you are sufficiently isolated as to not actually have any
industry or other contacts, you have a much harder job ahead than
anything which can be solved via usenet!
Richard Dobson
I could write a dissertation in response to your reply and still not
scratch the surfaces of the numerous issues that you raised. As a sensible
alternative, let me simply say that while I agree in very general terms
with much of what you have said, when it comes to the specifics, I disagree
with most of what you have said.
In an attempt at setting the record straight, and to avoid the possibility
of any further misunderstanding, let me state that the arrogant,
condescending and rude initial reception that I received from so-called
professional DSP consultants is only the foundation of my outrage. My real
outrage is over the subsequent posts in which several of the regulars in
this newsgroup not only failed to object to the disgraceful conduct of
these so-called professional DSP consultants, but instead actually condoned
and encouraged it.
And yet you keep coming back.
Quote: The disgracefou conduct of these so-called professional
DSP consultants would never be tolerated in any accademic or work-relatied
environment.
From this I get the impression that you've never really worked anywhere.
Quote: In fact, it wouldn't even be an issue with me if it were not
for the fact that in their posts these individuals are openly advertising
themselves as professional (implied) DSP consultants.
Evidently you're very easily perturbed. I suspect any time you spend in
the workforce will be quite aggravating for you.
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Eric Jacobsen
Minister of Algorithms
Abineau Communications
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| Eric Jacobsen... |
Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:16 am |
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On 9/25/2009 4:21 PM, Jimmy J wrote:
Quote: Eric Jacobsen<eric.jacobsen at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote in
news:XS9vm.7$kC.5 at (no spam) newsfe11.iad:
On 9/25/2009 12:32 PM, Jimmy J wrote:
Eric Jacobsen<eric.jacobsen at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote in
news:0f4vm.107127$Y83.65735 at (no spam) newsfe21.iad:
I've not seen any evidence that he's in a position to hire anyone,
anyway. It seems to me he wields the "I wouldn't hire you" stick
merely as a way to try to exert some influence. I suspect he's a
student somewhere.
Wrong on all three counts....quite an accomplishment.
Congratulations. Obviously the IEEE has either significantly lowered
its standards in recent years, or has abandoned them altogether.
There's no evidence that I'm wrong about anything. There's plenty of
evidence that you not only have no $$ to apply to the problem,
Claims of evidence don't constitute evidence. Put your so-called evidence
on the table or put a sipper on your big mouth.
You've already provided plenty of evidence that you're unlikely to be in
the position you claim to be, and continue to do so with every post.
Meanwhile, if you want to be believed, you might provide some evidence
to back up your claims of genuinely seeking to spend money on
consultants. Since the folks you're berating here appear under their
own names and can be researched, it's easy for just about anybody to
figure out whether your accusations with regards to competence are
accurate (which they're not).
On the other hand, since you use a nom de newsgroup that doesn't fully
identify you, your claims about yourself are supported only by your
claims, i.e., they're not supported.
Quote: Time for a reality check, moron? If I had all of the requisite DSP skills,
I wouldn't have come here for help/advice in the first place. As for your
mindless, idiotic and totally baseless allegation, this isn't the first
problem that I have managed/solved and it certainly won't be the last one.
So you've solved it?
Quote: BTW, your scary discernment skills have failed to recognize that a lot
of the genuine DSP practicioners here are likely to be IEEE members.
There isn't any particular skill test to become an IEEE member much
beyond the ability to pay the dues, so your assessment of the presence
or absence of IEEE membership standards just reveals that you don't
have much of an idea about the industry at all.
Quite the contrary. The implication was that the quality of IEEE members
has clearly taken a noisedive into the toilet. Sorry you missed the point.
No, the point was that pretty much anybody with a connection to the
industry can join the IEEE, so membership in IEEE makes no statement
whatsoever as to the quality or competence of the individual.
Quote: You're not really fooling anybody. You are, however, entertaining
some of us quite a bit.
Take a look in the mirror, moron, because not only are you a willing
participant in providing the entertainment to which you refer, the laugh is
actually on you.
I'm definitely a willing participant. Clearly so. Things are just fine
over here.
Quote: Keep at it, though. Eventually your berating of the experts whose
help you seek w pay off. I'm sure of it. It's a time-proven
technique.
It already has...and in spades. If I accidentally find myself driving down
a street that is full of pot holes, I get off that street and take another
route to my destination.
Then why do you keep coming back here if you dislike it so much? Please
take your own advice.
Quote: I also bet that someday when a manager fails to give you a big
enough
raise that you can correct the situation by letting him know how
incompetent he is for not recognizing your genius.
My advice to an obvious mental retard like you is to stay away from
from the horse races, the lotteries and the casinos.
Do you think that's where the smart people go?
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Eric Jacobsen
Minister of Algorithms
Abineau Communications
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| Rune Allnor... |
Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:47 am |
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On 25 Sep, 21:47, "Jimmy J." <s... at (no spam) spam.com> wrote:
Quote: Vladimir Vassilevsky <nos... at (no spam) nowhere.com> wrote innews:jcednZ_xlOpfSiHXnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d at (no spam) giganews.com:
JJ is either frustrated stupident looking for
homework or a madman obsessed with genious idea.
Or someone who was handed a real-world problem looking for a creative
solution. Thanks to you and other arrogant assholes in this newsgroup, I
certainly know where the solution, creative or otherwise, is not likely to
be found.
Good! At last it seems that what we told you from the start,
have begun to sink in.
You say you were "handed" the task - I understand that somebody
else asked you to find a solution to the problem I no longer
remember the details of.
I think this is the problem - somebody entrusted you with a
task you found out the hard way could not be solved. I can
understand the frustration of making such a discovery, but
please, do take that up with whoever assigned the task to you.
Next, it might be in your own best interest to find a different
job or project. You are just not cut out for whatever it is you
attempt to do right now.
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