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Fumi...
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:15 am
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"Cydrome Leader" <presence at (no spam) MUNGEpanix.com> wrote in message
news:h8u7ad$obh$1 at (no spam) reader1.panix.com...
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Mmy opinion is the software for the hitachi stuff all sucks. There doesn't
seem to be any support website, I have no idea where you get docs, if they
exist or are even translated into English and the programs themselves are
just strange and somewhat crippled.

Have you tried this site for docs:

https://extranet.hds.com
 
Boll Weevil...
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:32 pm
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On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:48:13 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
<presence at (no spam) MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
Quote:

Mmy opinion is the software for the hitachi stuff all sucks. There doesn't
seem to be any support website, I have no idea where you get docs, if they
exist or are even translated into English and the programs themselves are
just strange and somewhat crippled. I might use three different Hitachi
programs at once just to add a LUN to a host. It makes no sense, other
than Hitachi had non-technical people that can't spell SAN write the
management softare.

The hardware itself seems good. Every once in a while a drive fails and
somebody shows up to replace it.


Uh.. oh. This is turning into a religious war. Not to brag but let me tell you
my personal knowledge/experience about storage before I get on my soap box. I
have been working with HDS and EMC stuff since 1999. I am now a one man storage
consultant. I also know the celerra and the clariion very well, oh... NetApp( I
love Netapp!). Furthermore, I know the replication technologies of all of
them.. SRDF/A, timefinder, Truecopy, Shadowcopy, and the NAS replications. I
have hands on knowledge of all of them and am actively engaged in these
technologies, now.

Now, if I were to put a storage infrastructure into my own data center..... what
would I buy?? My answer is HDS & NetApp, hands down. From my experience, you
turn both of those on and you can walk away from them and go to your cubicle to
spend all your time surfing on the web to find the best place to buy a GI Joe
for your son's bithday. And, yes HDS is not perfect. Up until the recent
versions of Tuning manager, their software sucked. Also, their support staff
and sales people are limited. They don't buy me as many steak dinners as EMC
sales people.

As far as replication technologies. EMC and HDS are night and day. The
complexities of SRDF is insane compared with Truecopy. In Truecopy you edit the
HORCM files and kick the new disks in the pant and away they go. SRDF, you have
to issue very complicated RDF commands and then you have to stop the entire
replication group so you can add the new disks. Don't even try to compare
Celerra replication with NetApp. In my mind, the Celerra doesn't even deserve
to be considered considered next to the NetApp.

My personal theory is that EMC thrives on complexity and make more money with
support services. Admittedly, I have personally gained from their products
since I work in an EMC customer site.

One EMC item I personally do like is ECC. Of all the storage management
software, ECC is the most muture and most capable. If you wanna throw stones at
me, I don't mind. One major flaws with other storage management software is
that they scale poorly. Weather it is 50 or 150 hosts, once they get to their
numbers they turn into bloated and unuseable virus.

dogkicker
 
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:38 am
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Boll Weevil <washerdryer at (no spam) maytag.com> kenjka:

Quote:
Uh.. oh. This is turning into a religious war. Not to brag but let me
tell you my personal knowledge/experience about storage before I get on my
soap box. I have been working with HDS and EMC stuff since 1999. I am
now a one man storage consultant. I also know the celerra and the
clariion very well, oh... NetApp( I love Netapp!). Furthermore, I know
the replication technologies of all of them.. SRDF/A, timefinder,
Truecopy, Shadowcopy, and the NAS replications. I have hands on knowledge
of all of them and am actively engaged in these technologies, now.

Well, I am on the opposite side... Smile Working with EMC all the time... BTW.,
for my customers, SRDF/A is usable only in SRDF/STAR configuration... My
main customers are financial and telco, and SRDF/S is what they use (if they
have Symmetrix installed)...

TimeFinder/Snap(Clone) is not a replication technology (as SRDF is), it's a
snapshot/clone technology...

I don't like NetApp because I am working with EMC from the beginning, and I
like people from EMC...

Quote:
Now, if I were to put a storage infrastructure into my own data
center..... what would I buy?? My answer is HDS & NetApp, hands down.
From my experience, you turn both of those on and you can walk away from
them and go to your cubicle to spend all your time surfing on the web to
find the best place to buy a GI Joe for your son's bithday. And, yes HDS
is not perfect. Up until the recent versions of Tuning manager, their
software sucked. Also, their support staff and sales people are limited.
They don't buy me as many steak dinners as EMC sales people.

I think that HDS doesn't care much about their sales because they have most
implementations in Asia... And in the rest of the world they use HP and Sun
to sell USP boxes...

Quote:
As far as replication technologies. EMC and HDS are night and day. The
complexities of SRDF is insane compared with Truecopy. In Truecopy you
edit the HORCM files and kick the new disks in the pant and away they go.
SRDF, you have to issue very complicated RDF commands and then you have to
stop the entire replication group so you can add the new disks. Don't
even try to compare Celerra replication with NetApp. In my mind, the
Celerra doesn't even deserve to be considered considered next to the
NetApp.

Don't know much about TrueCopy, but I have made friends with one of the
engineers that worked for EMC on the SRDF/A development... Smile He told me how
this stuff works, and that was all I needed to know... For implementation,
we have support engineers who went to trainings and know their job very
well...

About NetApp - like I said, I don't like their technology... They're mostly
into NAS storage, and here in this region I can't mention one big customer
who ever bought NAS... In fact, there is one, and he bought Celerra... And
that's our only cusomter with NAS technology implemented... Here is
everything overdimensioned, and we are always talking about FC SAN,
Symmetrix and CLARiiON CX4 (AX4 is rarely offered)... Croatia is really
strange country - cheap is considered as low quality, and that's it...

Quote:
My personal theory is that EMC thrives on complexity and make more money
with support services. Admittedly, I have personally gained from their
products since I work in an EMC customer site.

Well, like we mentioned before, HDS management software is crap... Nobody
can understand what they ment with it... :/


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