Hi,

I have a suggestion for Cincom Smalltalk for attracting new users.

Cincom Smalltalk, as many other dialects, has non-commercial versions.
But for new comer who never has touched a Smalltalk IDE it's too huge
a download and this may prevent them from giving it a first try. Even
Object Studio now becomes more than 190 mb large.
My suggestion is that Cincom Smalltalk guys may work out some
smalltalk one-click version but for common develop purpose (not
Seaside only like your WV), which bring with it the lesson browser and
those introduction workspaces. Better include in it links to some
video that James has been doing.
In fact when I recommend VW to my friends I often use the SeaBreeze
one-click which is arround some 30 mb to download but the problem is
it is for Seaside and not from Cincom.

Thanks.

The NetInstaller is the right approach, but a "typical install" is 570MB.http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/scripts/DownloadInstaller.ssp

My choice of basic functionality, taking size into account, would be:

Advanced Tools 1MB
Base VW 123MB
Database 4MB
Opentalk 3.4MB
Store 5.9MB
Web Services 4.5MB
VM (Windows 16MB)

Total 158MB

I've not included anything from Contributed: most of the Contributed things
chosen in the current "typical" install would seem to make little sense to
most users. The main Contributed package has good stuff in, but at 60MB
there's also a lot that's unnecessary.

I'd probably make a separate "web server development" installation option,
or maybe that role is now fulfilled by WebVelocity.

Steve

"jarober" <jaro... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

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This is a worthwhile idea, but it's not without issues.  What should
be pre-loaded into such an image?  What should happen when you pop up
the Parcel Manager and the component(s) you want to load are not
present?

On Aug 18, 9:12 am, Emptist <jimg1... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

I have a suggestion for Cincom Smalltalk for attracting new users.

Cincom Smalltalk, as many other dialects, has non-commercial versions.
But for new comer who never has touched a Smalltalk IDE it's too huge
a download and this may prevent them from giving it a first try. Even
Object Studio now becomes more than 190 mb large.
My suggestion is that Cincom Smalltalk guys may work out some
smalltalk one-click version but for common develop purpose (not
Seaside only like your WV), which bring with it the lesson browser and
those introduction workspaces. Better include in it links to some
video that James has been doing.
In fact when I recommend VW to my friends I often use the SeaBreeze
one-click which is arround some 30 mb to download but the problem is
it is for Seaside and not from Cincom.

Thanks.

Hi,

I have a suggestion for Cincom Smalltalk for attracting new users.

Cincom Smalltalk, as many other dialects, has non-commercial versions.
But for new comer who never has touched a Smalltalk IDE it's too huge
a download and this may prevent them from giving it a first try. Even
Object Studio now becomes more than 190 mb large.
My suggestion is that Cincom Smalltalk guys may work out some
smalltalk one-click version but for common develop purpose (not
Seaside only like your WV), which bring with it the lesson browser and
those introduction workspaces. Better include in it links to some
video that James has been doing.
In fact when I recommend VW to my friends I often use the SeaBreeze
one-click which is arround some 30 mb to download but the problem is
it is for Seaside and not from Cincom.

Thanks.

Not that it's a huge addition, but note that including Web Services
requires NetClients.  I'd also point out that not including DLLCC (for
calling out to C code) would likely be a mistake.

On 19 Aug., 12:38, jarober <jaro... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Not that it's a huge addition, but note that including Web Services
requires NetClients.  I'd also point out that not including DLLCC (for
calling out to C code) would likely be a mistake.

What does anyone need DLLCC for if he/she wants to have a
look at CST and play around a bit with Seaside and the like?

On 19 Aug., 12:38, jarober <jaro... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Not that it's a huge addition, but note that including Web Services
requires NetClients. I'd also point out that not including DLLCC (for
calling out to C code) would likely be a mistake.

What does anyone need DLLCC for if he/she wants to have a
look at CST and play around a bit with Seaside and the like?

Nobody is suggesting there is one answer that is right for everybody. I
think the point is that Cincom already offers one answer for a "Typical
Installation": 570MB. We're trying to help tune that answer closer to what
an average downloader will want in terms of size and functionality. Why not
do one of your surveys to ask which components should be checked? You could
list the installation components, their sizes and prerequisites, with a
checkbox for each.

Steven Kelly escreveu:
Why not do one of your surveys to ask which components should be checked?
You could list the installation components, their sizes
and prerequisites, with a checkbox for each.

As smart it may sound, this suggestion has the shortcoming that will
capture opinions from persons who already downloaded or already know VW,
while IIUC the answers we're after are what prospective users would want.

This is a worthwhile idea, but it's not without issues. What should
be pre-loaded into such an image? What should happen when you pop up
the Parcel Manager and the component(s) you want to load are not
present?

Handle it like some of the Linux distribution do--download pacakges on