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| Nicholas Kinar... |
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:15 am |
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Hello--
I am working on a custom electronics system which ultimately requires a
hand-held case design. Moreover, I would like to use Pro/Engineer to
model the electronics case for production using a rapid prototyping
system. Consequently, I am wondering if anyone would know of a good
book, paper or tutorial on electronics case design, preferably using
Pro/Engineer.
How would I align the circuit board inside the case with the outside of
the case? How do I create standoffs for the circuit board? How do I
effectively deal with the routing of wires inside of the case? Perhaps
there are more general books that are available on this type of design.
Does anyone have a suggestion?
As an aside, I am also curious as to how it might be possible to design
an enclosure for an electro-optical system. How would I integrate
lenses and an optical system into the enclosure? Are there standard
mounting parts for lenses which I can model in Pro/Engineer (and then
produce using rapid prototyping), or would I simply purchase
"ready-to-order" mounting parts?
Nicholas |
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| Walther Mathieu... |
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:38 am |
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Hi there,
yep, I should have written that book long ago (if I only had time).
On the other hand, I guess it would not sell by the million.
Answers to your questions require additional information:
- what does that hand-held have to look like?
- will it require some elegant industrial design?
- whoŽs going to use this device later on?
- does the housing allow for maintenance later?
- in which environment will it be used?
- how long is its planned lifetime?
- how many of these will be produced eventually?
- what overall production costs are allowed?
- what EMI specs will be applied?
- who is going to produce it and where?
- what materials are desirable/undesirable?
- which methods of production are considered?
- etc. pp.
YouŽll need a lot of knowledge about electronics (not only housing),
and standard engineering expertise too, e. g. from sheetmetal,
plastic injection molding, power supply and thermal management...
....yes, one could very well write a book about.
You may omit some design criteria if RP is the way of choice,
but then youŽre stuck with high costs and no way to ramp up numbers.
Perhaps youŽd better look for some experienced consultant :-)
Through trial end error you will easily waste lots of both money
and manpower and make the product a complete failure anyway,
especially when youŽre not an ace with Pro/EŽs functionalities.
You will sure have to adapt design to demands that show up later on.
Walther
Nicholas Kinar schrieb:
Quote: Hello--
I am working on a custom electronics system which ultimately requires a
hand-held case design. Moreover, I would like to use Pro/Engineer to
model the electronics case for production using a rapid prototyping
system. Consequently, I am wondering if anyone would know of a good
book, paper or tutorial on electronics case design, preferably using
Pro/Engineer.
How would I align the circuit board inside the case with the outside of
the case? How do I create standoffs for the circuit board? How do I
effectively deal with the routing of wires inside of the case? Perhaps
there are more general books that are available on this type of design.
Does anyone have a suggestion?
As an aside, I am also curious as to how it might be possible to design
an enclosure for an electro-optical system. How would I integrate
lenses and an optical system into the enclosure? Are there standard
mounting parts for lenses which I can model in Pro/Engineer (and then
produce using rapid prototyping), or would I simply purchase
"ready-to-order" mounting parts?
Nicholas |
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| janes... |
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:44 pm |
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I agree. The topic is worth a book, probably a whole degree program. The
books that Spehro Pefhany mentioned are a good place to start in getting a
handle on plastic, injection molded enclosures. But, as Walter pointed out,
sheet metal ones are also prevalent. Considering the history, extending back
to the first radios and auto and aircraft instrument panels, the problems
and solutions have been around for a century.
A practical place to start might be project based tutorials. Consider this site and some of its projects; it's loaded with them:
http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/tutorials.php
Some of them make it pretty clear that a legitimate approach is to find a commercial box and to start modifying it to fit a board, screens, ports, plugs, switches, etc. I think they also make it pretty clear that all enclosure issues begin with the board and its function and requirements. The board raises questions like how will it be powered? how will it communicate with peripherals, humans? will it generate enough heat to require special cooling that an enclosure must accommodate? will it generate or be effected by EMI/RFI and have to be isolated from these effects? will the board and mounting have to withstand vibration, shocks, dust, salt fog or other extreme environmental effects? will it be mounted like a control box on a machine or be hand held like a cell phone?
The answers to these questions greatly effect both board and enclosure design. But the problem set is quite specific to application. The more you can narrow the field, the more you gain access existing solutions and resources.
David Janes
"Walther Mathieu" <mathieu.nospam at (no spam) in4tec.de> wrote in message
news:h2f3s3$j16$03$1 at (no spam) news.t-online.com...
Quote: Hi there,
yep, I should have written that book long ago (if I only had time).
On the other hand, I guess it would not sell by the million.
Answers to your questions require additional information:
- what does that hand-held have to look like?
- will it require some elegant industrial design?
- whoŽs going to use this device later on?
- does the housing allow for maintenance later?
- in which environment will it be used?
- how long is its planned lifetime?
- how many of these will be produced eventually?
- what overall production costs are allowed?
- what EMI specs will be applied?
- who is going to produce it and where?
- what materials are desirable/undesirable?
- which methods of production are considered?
- etc. pp.
YouŽll need a lot of knowledge about electronics (not only housing),
and standard engineering expertise too, e. g. from sheetmetal,
plastic injection molding, power supply and thermal management...
...yes, one could very well write a book about.
You may omit some design criteria if RP is the way of choice,
but then youŽre stuck with high costs and no way to ramp up numbers.
Perhaps youŽd better look for some experienced consultant :-)
Through trial end error you will easily waste lots of both money
and manpower and make the product a complete failure anyway,
especially when youŽre not an ace with Pro/EŽs functionalities.
You will sure have to adapt design to demands that show up later on.
Walther
Nicholas Kinar schrieb:
Hello--
I am working on a custom electronics system which ultimately requires a
hand-held case design. Moreover, I would like to use Pro/Engineer to
model the electronics case for production using a rapid prototyping
system. Consequently, I am wondering if anyone would know of a good
book, paper or tutorial on electronics case design, preferably using
Pro/Engineer.
How would I align the circuit board inside the case with the outside of
the case? How do I create standoffs for the circuit board? How do I
effectively deal with the routing of wires inside of the case? Perhaps
there are more general books that are available on this type of design.
Does anyone have a suggestion?
As an aside, I am also curious as to how it might be possible to design
an enclosure for an electro-optical system. How would I integrate lenses
and an optical system into the enclosure? Are there standard mounting
parts for lenses which I can model in Pro/Engineer (and then produce
using rapid prototyping), or would I simply purchase "ready-to-order"
mounting parts?
Nicholas |
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| Nicholas Kinar... |
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:27 pm |
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Thanks for your reply, Walter!
Quote: yep, I should have written that book long ago (if I only had time).
On the other hand, I guess it would not sell by the million.
Yes, I agree that a good book on the principles of this type of design
would be useful.
Quote: Answers to your questions require additional information:
- what does that hand-held have to look like?
- will it require some elegant industrial design?
- whoŽs going to use this device later on?
- does the housing allow for maintenance later?
- in which environment will it be used?
- how long is its planned lifetime?
- how many of these will be produced eventually?
- what overall production costs are allowed?
- what EMI specs will be applied?
- who is going to produce it and where?
- what materials are desirable/undesirable?
- which methods of production are considered?
- etc. pp.
Well, I would like to create a case using rapid prototyping technology,
so for now, I don't think that I would completely create molds from
scratch. I have access to a rapid prototyping machine, so it wouldn't
be too difficult to have the design fabricated. My application is a
system for ground-based environmental remote sensing. I would like to
incorporate the transducers directly in the case (i.e. the shape of the
case is adapted to the transducers). I've been trying a number of
different ways to mount the transducers, and each way that I've tried
has led to more grief (i.e. transducers falling off, transducers
becoming wet from melting snow and rain...)
- what does that hand-held have to look like?
Circuit board mounted inside the case, with connectors attached two or
more circular transducers situated on the front of the case.
- will it require some elegant industrial design?
Sure, why not? There's a lot of "elegent" cases that are also somewhat
simple to construct. I was thinking about a case with two parts: a
bottom, which holds the electronics circuit board, and a top, which
helps to hold the transducers in place and functions as a lid.
- whoŽs going to use this device later on?
The device is currently part of a research project for eventual
commercialization.
- does the housing allow for maintenance later?
Sure, if the lid can be fixed in place with screws in a similar fashion
to most electronics cases.
- in which environment will it be used?
The device will be used outside, where it may be subjected to rain and snow.
- how long is its planned lifetime?
My guess would be at least a few years.
- how many of these will be produced eventually?
We still have to assess market availability. I would say that there
would be interest from environmental engineers and consultants. I would
say that it wouldn't be mass production (like an MP3 player), but the
number produced may be significant.
- what overall production costs are allowed?
Well, research projects are initially limited, BUT if I use rapid
prototyping, the cost rapidly decreases.
- what EMI specs will be applied?
Canadian ICES-003
- who is going to produce it and where?
The project might be sold to a company.
- what materials are desirable/undesirable?
Probably anything plastic is useful.
- Perhaps youŽd better look for some experienced consultant :-)
Probably this is the best way to go, but then again, I might not learn
anything from the process. The intent of making postings on newsgroups
is to explore the possibility of doing this. Sure, a consultant would
be the best way to go, but it is still interesting to discuss how this
might be done, and what resources to use.
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| Nicholas Kinar... |
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:30 pm |
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Thanks for your response, David!
Quote: I agree. The topic is worth a book, probably a whole degree program. The
books that Spehro Pefhany mentioned are a good place to start in getting a
handle on plastic, injection molded enclosures. But, as Walter pointed out,
sheet metal ones are also prevalent. Considering the history, extending
back
to the first radios and auto and aircraft instrument panels, the problems
and solutions have been around for a century.
Quote: A practical place to start might be project based tutorials. Consider
this site and some of its projects; it's loaded with them:
http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/tutorials.php
Some of them make it pretty clear that a legitimate approach is to find
a commercial box and to start modifying it to fit a board, screens,
ports, plugs, switches, etc. I think they also make it pretty clear
that all enclosure issues begin with the board and its function and
requirements. The board raises questions like how will it be powered?
how will it communicate with peripherals, humans? will it generate
enough heat to require special cooling that an enclosure must
accommodate? will it generate or be effected by EMI/RFI and have to be
isolated from these effects? will the board and mounting have to
withstand vibration, shocks, dust, salt fog or other extreme
environmental effects? will it be mounted like a control box on a
machine or be hand held like a cell phone?
Great tutorials. I've heard of Sparkfun before, but I didn't know that
they offered all of these tutorials. I'd like the case to be hand-held.
Quote: The answers to these questions greatly effect both board and enclosure
design. But the problem set is quite specific to application. The more
you can narrow the field, the more you gain access existing solutions
and resources.
David Janes
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| janes... |
Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:56 am |
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Nicholas Kinar wrote:
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Thanks for your response, David!
I agree. The topic is worth a book, probably a whole degree program. The
books that Spehro Pefhany mentioned are a good place to start in
getting a
handle on plastic, injection molded enclosures. But, as Walter pointed
out,
sheet metal ones are also prevalent. Considering the history,
extending back
to the first radios and auto and aircraft instrument panels, the problems
and solutions have been around for a century.
A practical place to start might be project based tutorials. Consider
this site and some of its projects; it's loaded with them:
http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/tutorials.php
Some of them make it pretty clear that a legitimate approach is to
find a commercial box and to start modifying it to fit a board,
screens, ports, plugs, switches, etc. I think they also make it pretty
clear that all enclosure issues begin with the board and its function
and requirements. The board raises questions like how will it be
powered? how will it communicate with peripherals, humans? will it
generate enough heat to require special cooling that an enclosure must
accommodate? will it generate or be effected by EMI/RFI and have to be
isolated from these effects? will the board and mounting have to
withstand vibration, shocks, dust, salt fog or other extreme
environmental effects? will it be mounted like a control box on a
machine or be hand held like a cell phone?
Great tutorials. I've heard of Sparkfun before, but I didn't know that
they offered all of these tutorials. I'd like the case to be hand-held.
The answers to these questions greatly effect both board and enclosure
design. But the problem set is quite specific to application. The more
you can narrow the field, the more you gain access existing solutions
and resources.
So, what does the board look like that we're building this box around.
Since you're insisting it will be hand held, you must know the size and
approximate volume, maybe even the location of most inputs and outputs?
What will power it, i.e., how much power does it require? Hand held, to
me, means anything from a battery powered cell phone to a chorded, 5
pound machine controller with 30 buttons. The cell phone has a nice
plastic case, the machine controller, plastic over sheet metal.
Handhelds come in a thousand different sizes, shapes, weights and
complexities. Again, it's a very loose definition of a requirement. You
can help us help you with something more precise, more exacting.
David Janes |
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| Nicholas Kinar... |
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:39 pm |
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Quote: So, what does the board look like that we're building this box around.
Since you're insisting it will be hand held, you must know the size and
approximate volume, maybe even the location of most inputs and outputs?
What will power it, i.e., how much power does it require? Hand held, to
me, means anything from a battery powered cell phone to a chorded, 5
pound machine controller with 30 buttons. The cell phone has a nice
plastic case, the machine controller, plastic over sheet metal.
Handhelds come in a thousand different sizes, shapes, weights and
complexities. Again, it's a very loose definition of a requirement. You
can help us help you with something more precise, more exacting.
Hi David--
Thanks again for your response. We're looking at a PCB that is slightly
larger than 9 cm by 15 cm by 2 cm. The transducer assembly is located
at the front of the case. The inputs (power plug and USB) will be
situated near the back of the case. The circuit will be powered by a
Li-Ion battery pack placed inside of the enclosure. Preferably the
circuit will have a plastic case. I'm thinking of using a rapid
prototyping machine to produce the case. |
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| janes... |
Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:47 am |
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Nicholas Kinar wrote:
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So, what does the board look like that we're building this box around.
Since you're insisting it will be hand held, you must know the size
and approximate volume, maybe even the location of most inputs and
outputs? What will power it, i.e., how much power does it require?
Hand held, to me, means anything from a battery powered cell phone to
a chorded, 5 pound machine controller with 30 buttons. The cell phone
has a nice plastic case, the machine controller, plastic over sheet
metal. Handhelds come in a thousand different sizes, shapes, weights
and complexities. Again, it's a very loose definition of a
requirement. You can help us help you with something more precise,
more exacting.
Hi David--
Thanks again for your response. We're looking at a PCB that is slightly
larger than 9 cm by 15 cm by 2 cm. The transducer assembly is located
at the front of the case. The inputs (power plug and USB) will be
situated near the back of the case. The circuit will be powered by a
Li-Ion battery pack placed inside of the enclosure. Preferably the
circuit will have a plastic case. I'm thinking of using a rapid
prototyping machine to produce the case.
OK, I'm not going to try to figure out your board/circuitry. After all,
I'm a mechanical guy. But even I have trouble with inputs that include a
power plug (plus a LI battery?) and USB plug (with no signal inputs from
anywhere?) and a transducer? on a board?, also with no input (or output).
But it sounds like you'll be using board connectors. Much smarter than
jumpering wires all over the place. It also sounds like the stack up of
battery, board, connectors and transducers will make this almost the
full height of 2 cm, IOW, a simple cover over the top of your box. No
draft on the walls as no split down middle of box. You've indicated no
environmental/EMI/RFI requirements so really simple ~ a screw at each
corner.
So, it sounds like you need a couple openings in your case in the back,
some standoffs for mounting the board and some standoffs for mounting
the cover. The best method would be FDM. Find an RP outfit with a
Stratasys Dimension 'printer'. They use ABS plastic, the parts are fast
and accurate and usable out of the machine.
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| Nicholas Kinar... |
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:34 am |
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Quote:
So, it sounds like you need a couple openings in your case in the back,
some standoffs for mounting the board and some standoffs for mounting
the cover. The best method would be FDM. Find an RP outfit with a
Stratasys Dimension 'printer'. They use ABS plastic, the parts are fast
and accurate and usable out of the machine.
Yup, sounds like some good advice, David. I'll look for a FDM printer,
and try to give it a go.
Thank you for looking this over. |
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