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| Stefan Arentz... |
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| Linda... |
| Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:21 pm |
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Quote: Apparently your posting client decided to strip out frowny faces (the colon and open paren).
You are right. I did type it correctly. |
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| Gregory Weston... |
| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:20 am |
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In article
<616bf92c-18b0-4ab4-a8b2-a20fa5c71eff at (no spam) o30g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
spikeysnack <spikeysnack at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
The book Stefan cites falls into the category of "the reference
materials." I'll side with Stefan. Someone at the level of the OP is
almost certainly not going to be able to wade through the full, formal
spec and come out having retained anything. The K&R book is what I'd
recommend (and did, in another post) but for the question posed - and I
think I recall questions at a similar level from this poster in the
recent past - a tutorial book is probably a good recommendation, and
Dave Mark's an excellent author.
Quote: That said, I do agree that their are levels of complexity that don't
need to be delved at the beginning, ...
Just so.
Quote: Again, never listen to people who tell you not to read.
I agree 100%. Happily, Stefan didn't tell the OP not to read. He just
suggested that reading one particular thing didn't seem like the best
choice at this point.
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I saw a truck today that had "AAA Batteries / Delivered and Installed" on the
side. My first thought was: That's a really weird business model. How many
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| Stefan Arentz... |
| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:16 am |
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spikeysnack <spikeysnack at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
Quote: On Jun 21, 8:08 am, Stefan Arentz <ste... at (no spam) keizer.soze.com> wrote:
p... at (no spam) informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon) writes:
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Why haven't you read the ANSI C reference?
http://webstore.ansi.org/RecordDetail.aspx?sku=ISO%2fIEC+9899%3a1999
b.o.r.i.n.g. reference. nobody wants to learn C from the reference.
Why not point the OP to a more interesting C course or a good book?
Maybehttp://www.amazon.com/Learn-C-Mac-Dave-Mark/dp/1430218096?
S.
Who's nobody ? You?
If you want to be a real C-family programmer You will learn to read
the reference materials. What you are saying there is like saying real
writers don't own or read dictionaries -- too boring to know what
words mean.
No, I said nothing like that. But I will now since it is a good
comparison .. just like a booooooring C language reference, *nobody*
reads a dictionary from cover to cover to learn a natural
language. There are much better ways.
In my not so humble opinion, a reference, or dictionary, is good to
lookup things when you have reached a certain level, but not for
learning.
Btw. I have no idea what you mean with 'a *real* C programmer'. I
certainly never read the dull standard reference. (Only K&R) But I
understand the language pretty well and have written fine C code in
the last 20 years. You think I'm not a real C programmer?
S. |
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| spikeysnack... |
| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:01 am |
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Quote: Btw. I have no idea what you mean with 'a *real* C programmer'. I
certainly never read the dull standard reference. (Only K&R) But I
understand the language pretty well and have written fine C code in
the last 20 years. You think I'm not a real C programmer?
S.
Nice to see that a good troll
can still catch unsuspecting usenet travelers
even these days...
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| Pascal J. Bourguignon... |
| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:26 am |
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Stefan Arentz <stefan at (no spam) keizer.soze.com> writes:
Quote: No, I said nothing like that. But I will now since it is a good
comparison .. just like a booooooring C language reference, *nobody*
reads a dictionary from cover to cover to learn a natural
language. There are much better ways.
In my not so humble opinion, a reference, or dictionary, is good to
lookup things when you have reached a certain level, but not for
learning.
Btw. I have no idea what you mean with 'a *real* C programmer'. I
certainly never read the dull standard reference. (Only K&R) But I
understand the language pretty well and have written fine C code in
the last 20 years. You think I'm not a real C programmer?
Perhaps the C standard is boring and dull (I don't think it is. Maybe
complex and arid, but certainly not boring and dull). But the fact
remains that I learned several languages, and even as a young
programmer, by just reading their standard (or "report" as they were
often named). Of course, these languages limited their specifications
to 50 pages... But it's not the size of the reference, since Common
Lisp standard is more than 1500 pages, and is my main source of
information about that language.
That said, I agree that for a newbie programmer, it might be easier to
start with some other tutorial; unfortunately I don't have any to
recommend for C (I wouldn't advise the old K&R).
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| Stefan Arentz... |
| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:28 pm |
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spikeysnack <spikeysnack at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
Quote: Btw. I have no idea what you mean with 'a *real* C programmer'. I
certainly never read the dull standard reference. (Only K&R) But I
understand the language pretty well and have written fine C code in
the last 20 years. You think I'm not a real C programmer?
S.
Nice to see that a good troll
*yawn*
S. |
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