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| Janes... |
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I've used tape before to hold stock to a fixturing plate, so I know this method works for holding raw stock. What I don't know is any of the technical specs. These were based on holding plate to plate, aluminum plate base holding a variety of materials, mostly aluminum, but also ABS, Delrin, REN, Polycarbonate, and the like, no steel, so no exotic alloys. I did all this with strips of 1" wide double sided tape, sometimes full coverage, sometimes half. What I have no idea of is which, of the hundreds of such tapes 3M sells, would be adequate for my purposes. Also, coolant's involved, esp for aluminum. Anyone use such a tape? I'm on a number hunt. ENGINEERING! IT'S ALL ABOUT THE NUMBERS. It's our daily bread, the bed we lie on, the air we breathe, the car we drive in, the food we eat, the house we live in, the products we buy.
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On Jan 8, 10:02 pm, "Janes" <dja... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
Quote: I've used tape before to hold stock to a fixturing plate, so I know this method works for holding raw stock. What I don't know is any of the technical specs. These were based on holding plate to plate, aluminum plate base holding a variety of materials, mostly aluminum, but also ABS, Delrin, REN, Polycarbonate, and the like, no steel, so no exotic alloys. I did all this with strips of 1" wide double sided tape, sometimes full coverage, sometimes half. What I have no idea of is which, of the hundreds of such tapes 3M sells, would be adequate for my purposes. Also, coolant's involved, esp for aluminum. Anyone use such a tape? I'm on a number hunt. ENGINEERING! IT'S ALL ABOUT THE NUMBERS. It's our daily bread, the bed we lie on, the air we breathe, the car we drive in, the food we eat, the house we live in, the products we buy.
David Janes
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:59 pm |
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On Jan 8, 9:02 pm, "Janes" <dja... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
Quote: I've used tape before to hold stock to a fixturing plate, so I know this method works for holding raw stock. What I don't know is any of the technical specs. These were based on holding plate to plate, aluminum plate base holding a variety of materials, mostly aluminum, but also ABS, Delrin, REN, Polycarbonate, and the like, no steel, so no exotic alloys. I did all this with strips of 1" wide double sided tape, sometimes full coverage, sometimes half. What I have no idea of is which, of the hundreds of such tapes 3M sells, would be adequate for my purposes. Also, coolant's involved, esp for aluminum. Anyone use such a tape? I'm on a number hunt. ENGINEERING! IT'S ALL ABOUT THE NUMBERS. It's our daily bread, the bed we lie on, the air we breathe, the car we drive in, the food we eat, the house we live in, the products we buy.
David Janes
Can you call 3M ?
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:59 pm |
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<raamman at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message news:9f6a83cb-c789-4fd4-8a74-59bc7cb83f7c at (no spam) n2g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 8, 10:02 pm, "Janes" <dja... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
Quote: I've used tape before to hold stock to a fixturing plate, so I know this method works for holding raw stock. What I don't know is any of the technical specs. These were based on holding plate to plate, aluminum plate base holding a variety of materials, mostly aluminum, but also ABS, Delrin, REN, Polycarbonate, and the like, no steel, so no exotic alloys. I did all this with strips of 1" wide double sided tape, sometimes full coverage, sometimes half. What I have no idea of is which, of the hundreds of such tapes 3M sells, would be adequate for my purposes. Also, coolant's involved, esp for aluminum. Anyone use such a tape? I'm on a number hunt. ENGINEERING! IT'S ALL ABOUT THE NUMBERS. It's our daily bread, the bed we lie on, the air we breathe, the car we drive in, the food we eat, the house we live in, the products we buy.
David Janes
I don't believe it- you're dreaming
Hey, maybe. I'm probably dreaming that I worked for years as a model maker at Motorola, too. That model shop SEEMED pretty real!!
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:33 pm |
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David,
worked as a Model Maker for years at a competitor of Motorola.
Any way I used a 2" wide double sided tape from 3M. looked at the roll but there is no part number on it. Used it when making aluminum flat pattens for sheet metal parts. Dam stuff stuck so good you couldn't get the parts off the table if you used too much.
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"Janes" <djanes at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message news:i7z9l.1$Ew6.0 at (no spam) newsfe22.iad...
I've used tape before to hold stock to a fixturing plate, so I know this method works for holding raw stock. What I don't know is any of the technical specs. These were based on holding plate to plate, aluminum plate base holding a variety of materials, mostly aluminum, but also ABS, Delrin, REN, Polycarbonate, and the like, no steel, so no exotic alloys. I did all this with strips of 1" wide double sided tape, sometimes full coverage, sometimes half. What I have no idea of is which, of the hundreds of such tapes 3M sells, would be adequate for my purposes. Also, coolant's involved, esp for aluminum. Anyone use such a tape? I'm on a number hunt. ENGINEERING! IT'S ALL ABOUT THE NUMBERS. It's our daily bread, the bed we lie on, the air we breathe, the car we drive in, the food we eat, the house we live in, the products we buy.
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| Polymer Man... |
| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:04 am |
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David Janes, the Pro/E guru. Fancy seeing you here at AMC.
I've started using something called Mitee-Grip, which is a heat
activated adhesive film. You heat your part when you're done to pull
it off. I've even used it in limited production of parts with low
surface area without too much problem.
I also like super glue. It is strong and stiff, but when you get under
it with a chisel if pops off clean. I use a piece of high density REN
(5169) that is bolted to the table and given a skim cut. The glue
usually sticks to it better than the metal or plastic part, so the
part usually pops off clean. Then I just face it again for the next
part. I've milled everything from PVC to stainless steel this way.
I'm no eggspurt, just my .02... |
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| moi... |
| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:23 am |
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<raamman at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9f6a83cb-c789-4fd4-8a74-59bc7cb83f7c at (no spam) n2g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 8, 10:02 pm, "Janes" <dja... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
Quote: I've used tape before to hold stock to a fixturing plate, so I know this
method works for holding raw stock. What I don't know is any of the
technical specs. These were based on holding plate to plate, aluminum
plate base holding a variety of materials, mostly aluminum, but also ABS,
Delrin, REN, Polycarbonate, and the like, no steel, so no exotic alloys. I
did all this with strips of 1" wide double sided tape, sometimes full
coverage, sometimes half. What I have no idea of is which, of the hundreds
of such tapes 3M sells, would be adequate for my purposes. Also, coolant's
involved, esp for aluminum. Anyone use such a tape? I'm on a number hunt.
ENGINEERING! IT'S ALL ABOUT THE NUMBERS. It's our daily bread, the bed we
lie on, the air we breathe, the car we drive in, the food we eat, the
house we live in, the products we buy.
I don't use the 3M stuff. I use Permacel P-02. Works fine under coolant if
the immersion times aren't too long, but you also need to check with your
coolant and your concentration - some have more "solvent" power than others.
Also need sufficient area to tape down (small parts can fly). Large areas
can be very difficult to remove if completely coated with tape. Alcohol
generally loosens the tape's grip.
P-02 can be had at KR anderson and a number of other places.
http://www.kranderson.com/shop/Permacel/PCP02-IN8/PERMACEL-P-02-1-INCH-X-36-YDS
http://www.findtape.com/shop/product.aspx?id=190&setscreen=1&width=1428&height=930
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| Mike Henry... |
| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 3:02 am |
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442KW 6312 - 0085 OPR#042 - that's the number on a couple of rolls of 3M
double-sided tape bought from McMaster-Carr.
<raamman at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 8, 10:02 pm, "Janes" <dja... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
Quote: I've used tape before to hold stock to a fixturing plate, so I know this
method works for holding raw stock. What I don't know is any of the
technical specs. These were based on holding plate to plate, aluminum
plate base holding a variety of materials, mostly aluminum, but also ABS,
Delrin, REN, Polycarbonate, and the like, no steel, so no exotic alloys. I
did all this with strips of 1" wide double sided tape, sometimes full
coverage, sometimes half. What I have no idea of is which, of the hundreds
of such tapes 3M sells, would be adequate for my purposes. Also, coolant's
involved, esp for aluminum. Anyone use such a tape? I'm on a number hunt.
ENGINEERING! IT'S ALL ABOUT THE NUMBERS. It's our daily bread, the bed we
lie on, the air we breathe, the car we drive in, the food we eat, the
house we live in, the products we buy.
David Janes
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:30 am |
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"Half-nutz" <3t3d at (no spam) centurytel.net> wrote in message news:67e3476f-eb36-4064-a6aa-18675cb787e7 at (no spam) u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 8, 9:02 pm, "Janes" <dja... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
Quote: I've used tape before to hold stock to a fixturing plate, so I know this method works for holding raw stock. What I don't know is any of the technical specs. These were based on holding plate to plate, aluminum plate base holding a variety of materials, mostly aluminum, but also ABS, Delrin, REN, Polycarbonate, and the like, no steel, so no exotic alloys. I did all this with strips of 1" wide double sided tape, sometimes full coverage, sometimes half. What I have no idea of is which, of the hundreds of such tapes 3M sells, would be adequate for my purposes. Also, coolant's involved, esp for aluminum. Anyone use such a tape? I'm on a number hunt. ENGINEERING! IT'S ALL ABOUT THE NUMBERS. It's our daily bread, the bed we lie on, the air we breathe, the car we drive in, the food we eat, the house we live in, the products we buy.
David Janes
Can you call 3M ?
They should be able to get your number, pretty quick!
I'm going that route, as well. Finally got past the sales order people, got to "technical support", presented my case and got some suggestions. They're sending some samples. Which means I really won't know anything until I set up some tests, blah, blah, blah. And one of the PMs asks me, once again, what's the hold up and I have to explain that I'm learning NC g-code programming and I'm calibrating a replacement stylus for the one I busted on the new Renishaw OMP-2 probe and I'm testing tape and his eyes are glazing over while he's mumbling something about finding an outside vendor... Well, I'll continue down that route, but only because I don't know the part number of the tape I should be using.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:47 am |
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"Joe Smith" <joe at (no spam) microsoft.com> wrote in message news:tPidnVCvq5H04frUnZ2dnUVZ_oDinZ2d at (no spam) posted.choiceonecommunications...
David,
worked as a Model Maker for years at a competitor of Motorola.
Any way I used a 2" wide double sided tape from 3M. looked at the roll but there is no part number on it. Used it when making aluminum flat pattens for sheet metal parts. Dam stuff stuck so good you couldn't get the parts off the table if you used too much.
Well, I guess Motorola's tribulations gave you a good laugh. BTW, the Motorola Cellular model shop in Libertyville & Harvard IL were both closed. Everything's being outsourced. And, yes, we used 1" and 2" wide tape, fullest coverage for smallest parts, least for plates with a large surface area, often three 1 inch strips at most. And, yes, contrary to the beliefs of some sceptics, it was often difficult to remove parts. When they didn't pry off with a putty knife, we stuck stuff in a parts washer for several hours to loosen the bond.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:22 am |
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<raamman at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 8, 10:02 pm, "Janes" <dja... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
Quote: I've used tape before to hold stock to a fixturing plate, so I know this
method works for holding raw stock. What I don't know is any of the
technical specs. These were based on holding plate to plate, aluminum
plate base holding a variety of materials, mostly aluminum, but also ABS,
Delrin, REN, Polycarbonate, and the like, no steel, so no exotic alloys. I
did all this with strips of 1" wide double sided tape, sometimes full
coverage, sometimes half. What I have no idea of is which, of the hundreds
of such tapes 3M sells, would be adequate for my purposes. Also, coolant's
involved, esp for aluminum. Anyone use such a tape? I'm on a number hunt.
ENGINEERING! IT'S ALL ABOUT THE NUMBERS. It's our daily bread, the bed we
lie on, the air we breathe, the car we drive in, the food we eat, the
house we live in, the products we buy.
I don't use the 3M stuff. I use Permacel P-02. Works fine under coolant if
the immersion times aren't too long, but you also need to check with your
coolant and your concentration - some have more "solvent" power than others.
Also need sufficient area to tape down (small parts can fly). Large areas
can be very difficult to remove if completely coated with tape. Alcohol
generally loosens the tape's grip.
P-02 can be had at KR anderson and a number of other places.
http://www.kranderson.com/shop/Permacel/PCP02-IN8/PERMACEL-P-02-1-INCH-X-36-YDS
http://www.findtape.com/shop/product.aspx?id=190&setscreen=1&width=1428&height=930
--moi
Thanks for another manufacturer and releasing agent. I'll give them a call.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:24 am |
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"Mike Henry" <MichaelHenry at (no spam) msn.com> wrote in message news:gk8e1g027ve at (no spam) news2.newsguy.com...
442KW 6312 - 0085 OPR#042 - that's the number on a couple of rolls of 3M
double-sided tape bought from McMaster-Carr.
Thanks, I'll check it out.
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| Cliff... |
| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:33 am |
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:02:32 -0800, "Janes" <djanes at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
Quote: Anyone use such a tape?
For another use I found their tapes with
the Acrylic adhesives best.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:36 am |
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:30:39 -0800, "Janes" <djanes at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
Quote: I don't know the part number of the tape
Looked on the INSIDE of the roll?
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| Randy Replogle... |
| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:52 pm |
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Polymer Man wrote:
Quote: I've started using something called Mitee-Grip, which is a heat
activated adhesive film. You heat your part when you're done to pull
it off. I've even used it in limited production of parts with low
surface area without too much problem.
I got something like that from McMaster-Carr. I didn't try it but my
co-worker didn't like it for some reason. We usually heat an aluminum
plate and apply hot-melt glue stick to it then weigh down the part until
cool.
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